I should probably just add that I am no fan of the Union, either--one wishes deeply that both sides could have somehow lost--as the Union was really the precursor, I think, to the Big Government that would ensue some 65 years later (under FDR's New Deal), and another 35 years after that (under LBJ's Great Society).

But I also do not care for the side that saw nothing especially wrong with the institution of slavery...

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No, it is not. Look it up. A civil war is when two or more factions take up arms in order to control the same country. So, even the term "Civil War," to describe the War Between the States is a lie. The Confederacy sought to govern no States that did not secede from the Union.

If you disagree, then please tell me what their governing plan for Delaware and New York was.

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OC, you're sort of sounding like someone else in here who sticks to a position that is untenable and inaccurate, no matter how much clear cut evidence exists to show that you are incorrect. Also, the governing position of the north vs. the south in the American Civil War, was to make the seceding southern states citizens of the American Union again, they tried to eliminate that, it didn't happen, factually, or legally, something that they never were separated from, something their laws and the Federal laws, never were abolished by their secession, or fake "constitution." You can stick on the board with your inaccuracies, or just drop it, but there isn't evidence to support your position, sorry - you are an intelligent poster, who, as was previously posted, got some poor historical education at some point....STFN