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Old 02-11-2014, 11:10 AM
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That's fairly shallow minded actually….

What you are saying in a round about way is that conservatives don't care about social injustice….

Kinda weird…..
The problem is that social INjustice is applied where it doesn't belong...and the government DEFINITELY doesn't belong...

When a rich kids gets a free college ride because of his daddy, normal people say "Good for him!", while those who wallow in "social justice" demand punishment for this blatant "unfair" system...

When blue collar worker doubles his money in the stock market from $2000 to $4000, he gets slaps on the back and a "Good job" from those who wallow in "social justice", but when the guy who invested $500,000 turns it into $1 million, the same "social justice" crowd demands punishment for this blatant "unfair" system...:

When OJ Simpson was found not guilty, normal people say "He did it", while those who wallow in "social justice" celebrated based on nothing more than believing it was "sticking it to the man" for perceived previous punishment for this blatant "unfair" system...


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What does “social justice” mean? To the extent that it is about justice—outputs being aligned with inputs; effect being aligned with cause; reaping reward and punishment in right proportion; proper alignment between humans in regards to what is owed and what is not—it is a wonderful thing. But then it’s justice, and needn’t be modified with the word “social.”

Though I’m not entirely sure what the term means, it is often used in reference to creating more material equality among people. It implies that material relations between people are unjust, and to bring justice to them requires rewarding some at the expense of others. It aims to make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.

In other words, it is not really justice at all, as justice is about humans being in right relation to an objective standard of right and wrong that is the same applied to all persons. Social justice is quite the opposite of justice, as it is about a desired relation between individuals against the subjective standard of other individuals. It is not about “where am I in relation to right,” but about “where am I in relation to you." (Most people don’t put themselves in the equation when talking about social justice. Instead they think, “Where is one group of persons in relation to another group of persons.”)

Not only is social justice the opposite of justice as properly understood, it is also a purely material concept. Justice is a moral or spiritual concept, which can have material consequences: you have violated a moral law by stealing, so to right yourself with that law you must pay restitution. Social justice is a material concept, which can have moral or spiritual consequences: This person has fewer possessions than that person; therefore we should feel outrage and redistribute goods. In this regard, social justice is a type of human and material idolatry. It makes other humans the standard against which to measure, and material possessions the unit of measurement.

Still, we wish to help those who need help. If material inequality causes unhappiness for the poor (though I sometimes believe it causes unhappiness for the rich as well through guilt and shame), there are two ways we can attempt to alleviate the unhappiness. The first is to try to reduce the amount of material inequality in the world. I address why such attempts fail in another article. The second way is to help people stop measuring their happiness against others.

Instead of putting it in terms of others, let’s start with you.

You are not free as long as your happiness is contingent upon the relative happiness of those around you. Rather than submit to this covetous instinct and try to raise yourself to their level or bring them down to yours, make the covetousness submit to you. Subdue it, overcome it, conquer it, and be free. It is deeply destructive to you and society to allow covetousness to go unchecked—indeed to feed it and condone it with attempts at making everyone more materially equal.

Do not be mistaken, behind the desire for material equality is the desire to be as good as or better than your neighbor. Those who feel the world is not right so long as some people have more things than others are not far from wishing ill upon the “haves” because they incorrectly assume this will bring good to the “have nots.” For your own happiness to be contingent upon the unhappiness of others—the rich, the talented, the beautiful, the undeserving—is a spiritual sickness. Covetousness may be tolerated and even praised if it is cloaked in the language of “social justice,” but it is covetousness still.

Advocates for material equality sometimes claim that fighting against the sin of greed is the motivation for their meddling with and redistributing the possessions of the rich. It is doubtful taking from someone will help them conquer their greed. Nonetheless, even if the rich are greedy of their possessions, it is better to remove the plank of covetousness from your own eye before removing the sliver of greed from your rich neighbor.

The desire for social justice is really not about society at all. Nor is it about the rich, nor is it about the poor. It is about you. You must win your internal battle. You must overcome the tendency to make your own fulfillment contingent upon the wealth and poverty of others.

We all have the impulse to wish ill upon our neighbors as a way of making us feel better about ourselves. It is destructive, but difficult to overcome. I am ashamed to say I often cheer when a great sports team loses. It makes me feel better about the teams I love to see the teams I don’t lose. This is the same impulse behind activism for social justice, but at least in the arena of sports my desire is harming only my own spirit. I am not acting on that desire and seeking to pass legislation to take the trophies and salaries of the winners and give them to my teams.

How much more destructive when this covetousness leads us to condone and even take joy in the breaking up of a large business or the forcible extraction of money from our rich neighbor. These actions are meant to bring one down ostensibly to bring another up. We enjoy these actions when our heart does not find fulfillment in an objective standard of right, but in comparison to those around us.
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That's fairly shallow minded actually….

What you are saying in a round about way is that conservatives don't care about social injustice….

Kinda weird…..
No one who has any sense supports theft, whether it is organized into "social justice" or not.
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No one who has any sense supports theft, whether it is organized into "social justice" or not.
That's a good way of saying it...

A good example of the pathetic "social justice" is when a guy I knew a while back started work assembling stuff ( I forget what it was)...

He had a quota to build "X" of them a day...he thought the quota was ridiculously low and after the first few days, he far outpaced the quota...

The rest of the workers took him aside and told him to slow the f**k down because he was making them look bad and his output would show that the rest of them were slackin'...

The guy succeeding in getting more work done in the allotted time frame must now DECREASE his work ethic for the sake of those who do not POSSESS that same work ethic...

Social justice...
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I am glad the libs got some things done that everyone takes advantage of.
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Looks like Pelosi has come out agains TPP fast track authority for now. Maybe it's just because she wants a different version written. The TPP also has provisions to keep medicines from going generic for decades. This is in the second link. I looked at fox "news" and cnn. Didn't see anything about TPP. Hmm, and cnn is a liberal site. Oh, wait. of course. msnbc. commies and progressives. Be right back.........Hmm, nothing on msnbc about TPP either. Oh well, its a nice day here in california, should be around 80 degrees later on, right now it's a bone chilling 50 degrees.

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That's a good way of saying it...

A good example of the pathetic "social justice" is when a guy I knew a while back started work assembling stuff ( I forget what it was)...

He had a quota to build "X" of them a day...he thought the quota was ridiculously low and after the first few days, he far outpaced the quota...

The rest of the workers took him aside and told him to slow the f**k down because he was making them look bad and his output would show that the rest of them were slackin'...

The guy succeeding in getting more work done in the allotted time frame must now DECREASE his work ethic for the sake of those who do not POSSESS that same work ethic...

Social justice...
Have you ever experienced this type of behavior on a union job yourself or is it just anecdotal stuff you pick up on?
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More hopefully bad news for transpacific partnership. Gotta search for this stuff. Nafta has not been the success for bringing jobs to Americans and this may hurt Obama and his conservative friends to push Transpacific Partnership through. Obama has traveled far and wide on this deal originally started by bush, but of course, no word yet about it in the "liberal press". You'll hear about the golf games or how michelle is going to divorce Barry or whatever first.


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Have you ever experienced this type of behavior on a union job yourself or is it just anecdotal stuff you pick up on?
I've seen it in many shops, you never pick up production and make the other guys look like sloths. It's the union way.
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I've seen it in many shops, you never pick up production and make the other guys look like sloths. It's the union way.
I worked in a UAW shop. John Deere. Good work, good pay, good way for a guy to support a family. Idiots who knock unions have grown up in a country with strong unions. Jobs were plentiful as was profits. Since the right signed on with the corporations we have seen a decline in all of these things. Fact is people like Mr. Liberty has never seen this country operate without a good solid union presence. Watch the decline Mr. L.
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