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40yearfan 01-01-2014 10:10 PM

Comeuppance for Democrats
 
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I am predicting that 2014 is going to be a banner year for conservatives. Why? In a word, Obamacare. By cavalierly ignoring the concerns of the opposition, by foisting his misnamed pet project—the Affordable Care Act—on voters who did not want it, and by ramming Obamacare through Congress in an egregious display of raw political power, President Obama had already set the stage for a dose of comeuppance for the Democrat Party. But when thousands of Americans received notices of huge premium increases while thousands more had their policies abruptly cancelled—things President Obama promised over and over would not happen—the odds of there being a real comeuppance for Democrats became even more favorable. The disastrous roll out of Obamacare just improved those odds. But what really sealed the deal for a well-deserved comeuppance for Democrats in 2014 was the revelation that Barack Obama and his henchmen knew all along that thousands of Americans would either lose their insurance policies or see their premiums skyrocket. He knew this was going to happen when he looked into the camera and promised it wouldn’t.

Someone should have reminded those Democrats who have been so self-righteously haughty about their recent political ascendency of the old maxim that says: What goes around comes around. Had the Democrats been more willing to listen to serious questions raised by Republicans, had the Democrats in the U.S. Senate not used their majority like a steamroller in passing Obamacare, and had the president told the truth about the so-called Affordable Care Act, things might have been different. But that is all water under the bridge now. The president not only ignored the concerns of many Americans about his healthcare plan and refused all attempts to develop a bi-partisan alternative, he lied to Americans about the particulars of the ACA. Consequently, he has almost guaranteed that 2014 will go down in the Democrat Party’s history as a year of infamy.
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saltwn 01-01-2014 10:52 PM

Re: Comeuppance for Democrats
 
I am predicting that 2014 is going to be a banner year for conservatives. Why? In a word, gerrymandering. :D

pjohns 01-01-2014 11:03 PM

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Certainly, many districts are gerrymandered--some, rather preposterously, I believe--and both major parties are more than happy to engage in this unfair practice whenever they are empowered to do so. (In fact, the Democrats are probably the more egregious violator here: They have attempted to create so-called "safe" districts for some of their candidates--districts that no GOP challenger might have any chance of winning.)

But that is the House.

The Senate, by contrast, is impervious to this practice. And all the serious political analysts I have consulted appear to believe that the GOP will make significant gains here; and might even re-take control of that body.

saltwn 01-01-2014 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 629499)
Certainly, many districts are gerrymandered--some, rather preposterously, I believe--and both major parties are more than happy to engage in this unfair practice whenever they are empowered to do so. (In fact, the Democrats are probably the more egregious violator here: They have attempted to create so-called "safe" districts for some of their candidates--districts that no GOP challenger might have any chance of winning.)

But that is the House.

The Senate, by contrast, is impervious to this practice. And all the serious political analysts I have consulted appear to believe that the GOP will make significant gains here; and might even re-take control of that body.

seriously I dont think Obama care will have an adverse affect on democrats chances. It is what democrats wanted. :shrug

pjohns 01-02-2014 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 629500)
seriously I dont think Obama care will have an adverse affect on democrats chances.

Although we disagree on that point, that was not really the core of my contention.

The fact is that it now appears that the Senate will be up for grabs in 2014; with a slight advantage probably accruing to the Democratic Party (albeit with some net losses).

Larry Sabato--whose predictions should probably not be taken lightly--sees it as 50 seats in the blue camp (either Safe Democratic, Likely Democratic, or Leans Democratic), 48 seats in the red camp (either Safe Republican, Likely Republican, or Leans Republican), and two seats that are tossups (in Alaska and Arkansas).

Sabato shows the GOP taking seats in Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia that are currently held by Democrats who are retiring.

Here is the link: Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball 2014 Senate

saltwn 01-02-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 629531)
Although we disagree on that point, that was not really the core of my contention.

The fact is that it now appears that the Senate will be up for grabs in 2014; with a slight advantage probably accruing to the Democratic Party (albeit with some net losses).

Larry Sabato--whose predictions should probably not be taken lightly--sees it as 50 seats in the blue camp (either Safe Democratic, Likely Democratic, or Leans Democratic), 48 seats in the red camp (either Safe Republican, Likely Republican, or Leans Republican), and two seats that are tossups (in Alaska and Arkansas).

Sabato shows the GOP taking seats in Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia that are currently held by Democrats who are retiring.

Here is the link: Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball 2014 Senate

All we can do is hope and pray people will vote democrat which at this point in history is the only sane option.

faithful_servant 01-02-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 629496)
I am predicting that 2014 is going to be a banner year for conservatives. Why? In a word, gerrymandering. :D

..and another diversion by a liberal. :rolls:rolls:rolls:rolls:rolls

saltwn 01-02-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant (Post 629570)
..and another diversion by a liberal. :rolls:rolls:rolls:rolls:rolls

No a prayer. Also a comment on the opinion of the article. Do you even know what the subject of a sentence or theme of a paragraph is?

Oftencold 01-02-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 629500)
seriously I dont think Obama care will have an adverse affect on democrats chances. It is what democrats wanted. :shrug

So was the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq, as I recall.

saltwn 01-02-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold (Post 629585)
So was the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq, as I recall.

yeah that's a weird statement. :spin

faithful_servant 01-02-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 629574)
No a prayer. Also a comment on the opinion of the article. Do you even know what the subject of a sentence or theme of a paragraph is?

Yes, in this case it's:
I am predicting that 2014 is going to be a banner year for conservatives. Why? In a word, Obamacare

THAT'S the subject of the paragraph and it makes it VERY clear that it is the subject. I know that this is HARD for you to understand, but please try.


Now then, would you care to comment on the effect that the ACA will have on the overall election for Democrats or do you plan on continuing to try to get people talking about gerrymandering??

faithful_servant 01-02-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 629500)
seriously I dont think Obama care will have an adverse affect on democrats chances. It is what democrats wanted. :shrug

The problem is that what they wanted and what they got were NOT the same thing. The problem is that this will keep a lot of Dems. home for the election. The problem is that this will swing a lot of on the fence voters away from the Dems., while at the same time it will not gain them any voters. Anyone who will vote for the Dems. based on the ACA benefits they are receiving are people who would have voted for the Dems. any way. LOTS of negatives for the Dems. virtually NO positives.

saltwn 01-03-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant (Post 629624)
The problem is that what they wanted and what they got were NOT the same thing. The problem is that this will keep a lot of Dems. home for the election. The problem is that this will swing a lot of on the fence voters away from the Dems., while at the same time it will not gain them any voters. Anyone who will vote for the Dems. based on the ACA benefits they are receiving are people who would have voted for the Dems. any way. LOTS of negatives for the Dems. virtually NO positives.

While those with a majority are usually the laziest at midterms I think that is the only factor here. Won't be about ObamaCare no matter how it's spun from the Kotch bros

faithful_servant 01-03-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 629783)
While those with a majority are usually the laziest at midterms I think that is the only factor here. Won't be about ObamaCare no matter how it's spun from the Kotch bros

If you really believe that the upcoming election won't be influenced by the ACA, then you are too dumb for words. Anyone with any intelligence whatsoever on BOTH sides recognize this. It's why so many Dems. are trying to minimize their involvement with it. This election will be a strong referendum on the ACA, with the Dems. voting with their butts by not showing up and the Reps. voting with their feet by making sure that they show up. Turnout for Dems. will substantially lower than expected and turnout from Reps. will be substantially higher than expected.


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