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Old 12-23-2013, 01:03 PM
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It's not outrage...It's the double standard...

Saturday Night Live & Guest Host Jimmy Fallon Do Three Minutes of the Most Retrograde Gay Stereotypes Imaginable, And No One's Calling for Anyone to be Fired

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Now, I don't think anyone should be fired. I think that there should be some level of free space in free speech. I think low-level transgressions should not be punished, except with criticism and argument.

Nevertheless, given the contretemps about Phil Robertson, and the firing of Justice Sacco for a misinterpreted joke, it's instructive to note what you're permitted to do if the Enforcers of Political Correctness decided you have the status of being permitted free speech, because you're On Their Team.

And this is what you can get away with if you are deemed to have that status.

The entire sketch is bad. Let me repeat: I do not think anyone should be fired for not being funny. A failed joke is not a crime.

But the sketch is unfunny, like so much of Saturday Night Live for the past three or four years. It is desperate. It resorts to the hoariest, easiest, cheapest sort of stereotypes of gays to gin up some scattered laughs.

And do note the New York City crowd -- quite a Tolerant and Enlightened group, if they do say so themselves -- is willing to laugh along with 1950s-era gay slurs so long as People They Like are doing them.

The sketch ends with a "message" -- Ebenezeer Scrooge became a cranky old bastard because he denied his sexual identity all his life -- but no one could possibly be fooled by this. Porn-ish magazines of the 50s -- the ones with titles like "Confessions of a Bad Girl" or "Back Seat Tease" -- typically featured eight pages of Girls Doing Naughty things but then attempted to avoid condemnation by the censors by including a couple of paragraphs at the end in which the Bad Girl learned the errors of her ways and started going to church and got married and otherwise repudiated her former Bad Girl-edness.

Russ Meyer's Beyond the Valley of the Dolls features an absurdist spoof of these "Lessons The Transgressors Have Learned" wrap-up, for example. I guess the idea that a few minutes of bombastic moralizing makes up for 90 previous minutes of sex, enormous naked breasts, drug use, and decapitations.

See, it's not porny-- it's really a Morality Tale (TM)!!!

This tactic -- indulge the thing you're forbidden to do for a long time and then quickly say "but that's how I learned my lesson" -- fooled no one, including in the 50s, and still fools no one.

I think it's pretty clear from the Saturday Night Live sketch that society is still groping its ways to find the "rules" about speaking about homosexuality. I'm certain that just about every writer and performer on the show is left-liberal, and just as pro-gay as GLAAD, and probably celebrated the suspension of Phil Robertson.

And yet, when they have four minutes of a show to fill, and don't have any better ideas, this is how they fill the time: Four minutes of a stereotypical hyper-exaggerated queen, who finds "love" at the end of the episode by hooking up with a hot young hustler who will ignore his advanced age in exchange for upkeep and money.

Saturday Night Live isn't funny, but it is fairly savvy about what it can and can't get away with. It has almost never been what anyone would call a politically incorrect show -- in fact, it's usually been pretty politically correct in how it handles controversial issues.

And here is Lorne Michaels, and the cast and writers of the show, and NBC's standards & practices censors, and incoming Tonight Show host (and general Good Guy) Jimmy Fallon, deciding that some truly retrograde gay humor can still fly with even a left-skewing audience.

And yet we're also told that Phil Robertson should have known how horribly offensive his actual beliefs were (and how horribly offensive that whole Bible is), and should suffer actual economic consequences for expressing them.

I support the free space -- the license -- given to Saturday Night Live. I endorse the left's decision to not boycott SNL, and I second GLAAD's decision to not demand that Jimmy Fallon be fired as host of the Tonight Show.

But I also demand that that free space be granted to other people, not just those the media has decided are permitted a wide berth as regards to anti-gay speech.


Such as Alec Baldwin, who, as far as I know, is still a Capital One pitchman.
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Talk about an article that tries too hard...

I did like this comment:
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But the sketch is unfunny, like so much of Saturday Night Live for the past three or four years. It is desperate. It resorts to the hoariest, easiest, cheapest sort of stereotypes of gays to gin up some scattered laughs.
I will agree that SNL definitely needs some writing / talent help. Not a fan of Fallon in the first place who can't seem to get through a skit without smirking or laughing at himself. But such agreement is besides the point...

The article is obviously seeking to speak to a double-standard, but I think it's missing the mark.
"...the contretemps about Phil Robertson..."
I don't think he should be fired or suspended, but to refer to him lumping gays in with "bestiality" as "contretemps" is obtuse. If SNL had done a skit lumping gays in with bestiophiles, I would think the author would have more of a point.
If Phil Robertson had told a joke with a gay guy using something similar to Fallon's tired voice, I would agree that Robertson might be guilty of poor taste but not worthy of much beyond an eye-roll.

"...the firing of Justice Sacco for a misinterpreted joke..."
For those who need the reference:
Justine Sacco, a director of communications at Diller's IAC, whose holdings include television production company Electus, dating sites Match.com and OKCupid as well as the video site Vimeo, tweeted “Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding. I’m white!”
PR executive Justine Sacco fired after insensitive tweet goes global - latimes.com
To label that as a "misinterpreted joke" is poor misphrasing. It was an attempted joke, but to call it "misinterpreted" is really missing the mark. There is NO problem with what that is "interpreted" as...
Me personally, the real nail in the coffin is that she is "director of communications at Diller's IAC"
I thought one of the things about those people with higher positions and larger paychecks is that they are held up to a higher standard.
And the fact that she is director of communications is another item that demonstrates that perhaps she is in the wrong job. If she were director of engineering, that would be one thing. Director of Communications is easily recognized as employed for the purpose of helping to put out the corporate message and helping with company image.
Her choice in the tweet demonstrates she is likely in the wrong job...

Regarding SNL's joke, I agree it was trite and boring, but to put it in the same category as the above is misguided. The author misses the boat for the significance of the other two examples.
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I wouldn't spend too much time worrying or tryin' to compare jokes made against gays with no ill-intent, to someone's real opinion about homosexuals.

Nothin' wrong with pokin' fun at gays, blacks, Jews, Italians, women, the handicap, or any other group as long as it's not done in a hateful way.
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I wouldn't spend too much time worrying or tryin' to compare jokes made against gays with no ill-intent, to someone's real opinion about homosexuals.

Nothin' wrong with pokin' fun at gays, blacks, Jews, Italians, women, the handicap, or any other group as long as it's not done in a hateful way.
Agree 100%. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we have no sense of humor. There was no ill will intended and it was funny as hell. Reminds me of Nathan Lane in the Bird Cage. He remains one of my favorite actors today and I always look forward to his appearances on the Good Wife.
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Agree 100%. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we have no sense of humor. There was no ill will intended and it was funny as hell. Reminds me of Nathan Lane in the Bird Cage. He remains one of my favorite actors today and I always look forward to his appearances on the Good Wife.
Agreed. Years ago there was a series of paperbacks which became best sellers. Called Truly Tasteless Jokes, they made fun of everyone by category. Since everyone was offended, no one got offended. Not today.

Another example: Ted Danson got by with showing up at a party in full blackface. His date, Whoopi Goldberg. By contrast M Cyrus was chastised for dressing as a Geisha while singing Geisha songs.
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I kind of enjoy watching the contortions of people who want to try to explain that the sketch wasn't really a stereotypical put down of gays based on the notion that most people find homosexual behavior to be bizarre and easy to ridicule.
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If SNL had done a skit lumping gays in with bestiophiles, I would think the author would have more of a point
The point is NOT apples to apples with what happened with Phil Robertson...

And point of order...

Robertson said "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there"...

That is NOT "lumping gays in with bestiophiles"...Far from it...

If he said "Start with a couple of joints and just morph out from there to injecting heroin four times a day or being a daily crack smoker", you would understand that the "couple of joints" are NOT "being lumped in" with heroin and crack...The former being the lightest and the latter being the darkest...They are NOT being spoke of equally...

...and I think you REALLY know that...

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Nothin' wrong with pokin' fun at gays, blacks, Jews, Italians, women, the handicap, or any other group as long as it's not done in a hateful way.
The problem is that the gay community (generalizing) would SEETH if pushing the stereotype that gay men act super-fabulously-feminine as Fallon was doing in that skit was being done by anyone other than their "approved" people...

You put O'Reilly or Dennis Miller or some Conservative celebrity (any 4 of them) in that same skit and have them act in the EXACT same manner Fallon was doing, and GLAAD would be getting carpel tunnel from handing out press releases attacking such disgusting stereotypes and demanding retribution...
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I wouldn't spend too much time worrying or tryin' to compare jokes made against gays with no ill-intent, to someone's real opinion about homosexuals.

Nothin' wrong with pokin' fun at gays, blacks, Jews, Italians, women, the handicap, or any other group as long as it's not done in a hateful way.
The problem is the double standard that laughs at jokes made at the expense of designated victim groups when they come from approved Left wing supporters but spouts furious indignation when the joke is delivered by someone perceived as being on the other side of the political spectrum. Calling Republicans equivalent to a suicide cult is tongue in cheek humor but mocking Obama as the biggest celebrity in the world is deemed racist.
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Geeez how stupid. When a hillbilly tells you you have a pretty mouth and a good looking woman tells you you have a pretty mouth it means two different things coming from to different feelings. It isn't that hard to understand unless you are wanting to be sad.
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