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Old 06-22-2008, 12:19 AM
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There is always a market for an ideology of discontent�it allows those outside the mainstream to relate to the world. These beliefs usually form in reaction to the world�s dominant reality. So the rise of capitalism and democracy over the last 200 years produced ideologies of opposition from the left (communism, socialism) and from the right (hypernationalism, fascism). Today, the dominant reality in the world is the power of the United States, currently being wielded in a particularly aggressive manner. Anti-Americanism is becoming the way people think about the world and position themselves within it. It is a mindset that extends beyond politics to economic and cultural realms. So, in recent elections in Brazil, Germany, Pakistan, Kuwait, and Spain, the United States became a campaign issue. In all these places, resisting U.S. power won votes. Nationalism in many countries is being defined in part as anti-Americanism: Can you stand up to the superpower?

Much has been written about what the United States can do to help arrest and reverse these trends. But it is worth putting the shoe on the other foot for a moment. Imagine a world without the United States as the global leader. Even short of the imaginative and intelligent scenario of chaos that British historian Niall Ferguson outlined in this magazine (see �A World Without Power,� July/August 2004), it would certainly look grim. There are many issues on which the United States is the crucial organizer of collective goods. Someone has to be concerned about terrorism and nuclear and biological proliferation. Other countries might bristle at certain U.S. policies, but would someone else really be willing to bully, threaten, cajole, and bribe countries such as Libya to renounce terror and dismantle their WMD programs? On terror, trade, AIDs, nuclear proliferation, U.N. reform, and foreign aid, U.S. leadership is indispensable.

The temptation to go its own way will be greatest for Europe, the only other player with the resources and tradition to play a global role. But if Europe defines its role as being different from the United States�kinder, gentler, whatever�will that really produce a more stable world? U.S. and European goals on most issues are quite similar. Both want a peaceful world free from terror, with open trade, growing freedom, and civilized codes of conduct. A Europe that charts its own course just to mark its differences from the United States threatens to fracture global efforts�whether on trade, proliferation, or the Middle East. Europe is too disunited to achieve its goals without the United States; it can only ensure that America�s plans don�t succeed. The result will be a world that muddles along, with the constant danger that unattended problems will flare up disastrously. Instead of win-win, it will be lose-lose�for Europe, for the United States, and for the world.
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Raises some interesting points. Personally I think the myth that the U.S. can remain a 'neutral' is just silly; it never has been able to stay free from foreign entanglements. Jefferson even resigned from the Vice Presidency when the attempt to make neutrality Federal policy was decided on, and of course the results of what happened to John Jay's attempts at 'neutrality' treaties with England and France quickly disabused our leadership of that notion ever being practicable. We've done an admirable job of foreign policy as a country, even as it can be compared to the old saying about 'wrestling in the mud with pigs', and there is really no chance we can ever remain 'neutral' for long, just as there is certainly no chance the world would be 'better off' if we stayed out of the fray.
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:59 AM
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Governments and dictators, queens or emperors may try to instill hatred of America. But I think most people of the world as individuals unto themselves, love America.
We are and ever shall be a part of them and their own history, but more personally, our freedom is their hope and our melted pot of beliefs and customs is their ideal.
Especially, I know, the Chinese people admire and adore us. And it feels good knowing that. I mean, everyone likes to be loved.

Economic trends and technologies, war lords and revolutions come and go.
But when America goes, so goes the light of the world.

And it will be a long dark night till anything matches us, if indeed anything ever will.
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The main problem with the article is the FACT that the ELECTIONS from ALL of those countries showed new respect and affiliation with AMERICA not less. Germany, Italy and yes even France have elected PRO-America parties and people that campaigned thusly not against as they try to claim. Those with a "hate America" stance LOST just as those in America that hate everything that is right with us are about to discover. The energy dragon is about to prove how even "stupid liberals" can actually see the truth when you beat them about the head and shoulders with it. The funny thing is that it is the "trash" that the liberals spread that the people of the world hate.
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The main problem with the article is the FACT that the ELECTIONS from ALL of those countries showed new respect and affiliation with AMERICA not less. Germany, Italy and yes even France have elected PRO-America parties and people that campaigned thusly not against as they try to claim. Those with a "hate America" stance LOST just as those in America that hate everything that is right with us are about to discover. The energy dragon is about to prove how even "stupid liberals" can actually see the truth when you beat them about the head and shoulders with it. The funny thing is that it is the "trash" that the liberals spread that the people of the world hate.
Utter nonsense.....the reason why we're in the messes that we're in is because of the failed policies and poor judgment of this most corrupt Republican, conservative (allegedly) administration.
Liberals are hardly stupid...as most of them are intellectual, the most noted, from ivy league schools.
It's people like you, that voted Bush I and Bush II into office...and now you and everybody else has reaped the wild wind....live with your mistake. Embrace it. Own it. Admit your folly. Be at peace.
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Utter nonsense.....the reason why we're in the messes that we're in is because of the failed policies and poor judgment of this most corrupt Republican, conservative (allegedly) administration.
Liberals are hardly stupid...as most of them are intellectual, the most noted, from ivy league schools.
It's people like you, that voted Bush I and Bush II into office...and now you and everybody else has reaped the wild wind....live with your mistake. Embrace it. Own it. Admit your folly. Be at peace.
You sound like the typical liberal. "failed policies and poor judgment". No wonder you think Obama is a great orator. Empty meaningless phrases are your whole vocabulary. Phrases that someone else makes up for you. By the way Ivey League school is hardly a "character reference" because foolish one GW is the first president to have a MASTERS DEGREE not to mention that he has two one from HARVARD and one from PRINCETON. Oh yeah and by the way GW is not actually a conservative his policies have been quite liberal.

Corrupt? IN 8 years they haven't yet "caught" them at anything that they didn't manufacture themselves. Go ahead pick any topic where this "corruption" showed up and bring up what you think are the facts and I'll point out your ignorance for you.
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You sound like the typical liberal. "failed policies and poor judgment". No wonder you think Obama is a great orator. Empty meaningless phrases are your whole vocabulary. Phrases that someone else makes up for you. By the way Ivey League school is hardly a "character reference" because foolish one GW is the first president to have a MASTERS DEGREE not to mention that he has two one from HARVARD and one from PRINCETON. Oh yeah and by the way GW is not actually a conservative his policies have been quite liberal.

I am a typical liberal...but not in the way you envision.
I don't think Obama is a great orator...most people know that he is...at least, "intelligent persons".
Let me tell you something. Do not insult my intelligence. Check my profile. I'm a writer. I get paid for writing. No one has to make up anything for me.
You don't know me. Don't pretend to.

When I made reference to "ivy league" schools, I wasn't talking about "special cases", such as George Bush, whose daddy bought him in...I was talking about folks who made it in and through on their own merits. Money can buy most anything...even degrees. I ain't impressed.



Corrupt? IN 8 years they haven't yet "caught" them at anything that they didn't manufacture themselves. Go ahead pick any topic where this "corruption" showed up and bring up what you think are the facts and I'll point out your ignorance for you.
Caught? They insulated themselves against getting caught by the Republican Congress...stacking the Supreme Court with Right-leaning Justices sympathetic to their agendas, stacking the Dept of Justice with sympaticos...in effect, ensuring that they could get away with "literal murder", and get away with it....
The spineless Democratic leadership took impeachment off the table, because they were afraid of a dust up with Republicans, who were keen against it...but don't get your panties in a bunch behind what I'm saying....look at his standing in the polls...he's the most unpopular president since Hoover, perhaps, "ever". Damn straight, corrupt...the most corrupt.
I said it. And I represent it. And you can't recognize your own ignorance, much less that of anyone else's....I'd mind my business, if you have any.
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