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The recent budget deal, co-brokered by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), represents a compromise of sorts; and one of my chief concerns is that it trades increased spending and "user fees" (read: tax increases) now for the mere promise of spending cuts nine or 10 years on down the road.

But another problem I have with it is its insistence upon cuts to the COLAs of retired veterans.

As The Daily Caller reports:

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Senate Republicans were unable to stop military pension cuts when Senate Democrats blocked a vote on an amendment to prevent the cuts by closing a welfare loophole for illegal immigrants Tuesday evening.

The two-year budget deal brokered by Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, would cut military pensions by $6 billion over ten years, leaving some Senate Republicans scrambling to stop the cuts.

“Removing this unbalanced treatment of our military retirees ought to be one of the key actions we should take before this legislation moves forward. In fact, greater savings than this can be achieved by passing a legislative fix recommended by the Inspector General of the U.S. Treasury that would stop the IRS from improperly providing tax credits to illegal aliens,” Alabama Republican Jeff Sessions said Monday, announcing his co-sponsorship of Mississippi Republican Sen. Roger Wicker’s amendment to restore the military retirement benefits Monday.
Here is a link to the entire article: Senate Dems: illegal immigrant welfare over veteran benefits | The Daily Caller
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Military pay and benefits should NEVER be cut. Not by ANY amount. It should go UP. Considerably. F*ck those as*holes.
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"...the reduction applies only to working-age retirees – that is, military retirees who have not yet reached the age of 62. Since the vast majority of people who retire from the military in their 40s and 50s take other jobs, often using skills they have gained or developed in the military, their military retirement pay is not their sole source of income. Moreover, when working-age retirees reach the age of 62, their retired pay would be readjusted back to the full amount they would have gotten if they had received the full COLA each year. After 62, ..."

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"...the reduction applies only to working-age retirees – that is, military retirees who have not yet reached the age of 62. Since the vast majority of people who retire from the military in their 40s and 50s take other jobs, often using skills they have gained or developed in the military, their military retirement pay is not their sole source of income. Moreover, when working-age retirees reach the age of 62, their retired pay would be readjusted back to the full amount they would have gotten if they had received the full COLA each year. After 62, ..."



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Yeah.... Well I'm not counting on many here to actually read the link. Apparently, opinions are valued here more than facts.
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I read the link. It doesn't help the case. NO ONE who served should get a cut. Not EVER. Especially not those who served 20 years. Just because it's a smaller percentage of retired people who risked their lives for our country, doesn't make it better.
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We should cut nothing from those who have earned it while we are still giving to those who haven't.
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Yeah.... Well I'm not counting on many here to actually read the link. Apparently, opinions are valued here more than facts.
When you just put up a link with no comments I won't open the link because it shows you have little interest in debate.
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When you just put up a link with no comments I won't open the link because it shows you have little interest in debate.

I love nothing more than healthy debate and starting with facts is a nice way to open that dialogue.

And, there are times when a linked article is an appropriate response in debates in this type of arena.

Having said that, I totally respect the fact that you are entitled to your opinion.
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