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ObamaCare is destined to destroy this country...
I agree with this. At least, if it were to take hold for any serious length of time.

But Morris's view--and my own view, also--is that ObamaCare will quickly reveal itself to be a dismal failure; that this will likely lead to a Republican takeover of the Senate in 2014, and a Republican president two years later; and ObamaCare can then be repealed, successfully.

The most serious counter-argument, in my opinion, is that the subsidies that are a part of ObamaCare may act as an agent of addiction, thereby making it difficult to repeal this law, even with Republicans in charge of the House, the Senate, and the White house.

And this is not an entirely frivolous argument...
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I agree with this. At least, if it were to take hold for any serious length of time.

But Morris's view--and my own view, also--is that ObamaCare will quickly reveal itself to be a dismal failure; that this will likely lead to a Republican takeover of the Senate in 2014, and a Republican president two years later; and ObamaCare can then be repealed, successfully.

The most serious counter-argument, in my opinion, is that the subsidies that are a part of ObamaCare may act as an agent of addiction, thereby making it difficult to repeal this law, even with Republicans in charge of the House, the Senate, and the White house.

And this is not an entirely frivolous argument...
Name a major Federal entitlement program that was repealed. There are none. The $80 million for a failed web site and $70 million promotion budget are small change for preserving the expansion of Federal power. That is irresistible to big government Republicans and Democrats alike.

Obamacare is already being spun into a smashing success. The sky high premiums are "lower than predicted." The failed web site is the result of huge demand. The number of people signing up is a State secret until it reaches a big enough figure to be deemed impressive.

It is comforting to believe Obamacare will fail on its own but there is no evidence to support it.
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The recent polls favor Obama because of "free" stuff. The nonfunctional Obamacare web site preserves the illusion. The same polls show 3/4 of respondents think the country is headed in the wrong direction. That makes Obama the popular captain of the sinking ship.
You can continue to deny the reality but the truth is Obama's poll numbers are going up because the GOP has dug their selves into a ditch trying to de-fund The ACA and their own polling numbers have reached all time lows. I laugh when anyone, right or left uses the ACA web site as a talking point. Have YOU ever built a web site?.. The Web site has glitches yes, but those are easily fixed and I'm sure the Government can afford the best tech people to make sure the web site gets fixed . I went on the web site and had zero problems... but of course I live in a state with a Smart Governor who decided rather than fighting against a successful roll out they worked to make it successful.


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The same Obama supporters following him like trained seals hoping for a sardine aren't going to sign up on mass for Obamacare's high priced policies with massive deductibles after the shoddy website gets nursed into low level functionality. The thousands of new IRS bureaucrats can only collect the Obamacare tax from refunds but I predict even that will be waived or ignored.
lmao... man the Obama hate is thick in here...

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Enough with the phoney "Republican idea" propaganda, Obama owns Obamacare. He fought for it, shut down the government to keep it threatens to veto any changes to it by Congress even ones that mirror his imperial decrees. Nobody does that for something they don't own, it would be like putting new tires on a rental car.
It's not phoney.. the Mandate WAS a republican idea, that's a plain fact.

As far as Obama shutting down government, well I'm afraid the polling proves you wrong on that one. Anyone paying attention knows the GOP Extremist Party are the ones responsible for the Shut Down. They were so intent on breaking the law they couldn't see through delusion they suffer from. The President has the Veto, blame the constitution for that one. If the GOP truly wanted to repeal the ACA they should have planned a little better and tried to win enough voters to give them that option by taking over the senate and the white house. But as it stands now they will most likely go backwards again in 2014 when they lose the House, and then they will never get rid of the ACA because by the time they get back in power ( if ever) the people will revolt when they try to repeal a POPULAR law.

funny how that works huh....
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that this will likely lead to a Republican takeover of the Senate in 2014, and a Republican president two years later
I remember hearing much the same thing in 2011-2012 when the Right Wing convinced themselves that Obamacare was going to hand the Senate to the GOP and Mitt Romney was going to win the White House. Didn't work out of course but who knew right?....lol
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What the GOP should do now is decide if it wants to throw out the teas or die.
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Name a major Federal entitlement program that was repealed.
Well, in 1989, the catastrophic-care provision of Medicare (passed the previous year) was repealed, due to widespread discontent with the new law...
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Well, in 1989, the catastrophic-care provision of Medicare (passed the previous year) was repealed, due to widespread discontent with the new law...
I remember that. it was instituted to help people with a catastrophic health problem but nursing home took advantage of it. they'd move mrs smith down to the skilled wing and give her a new classification because she had one of the conditions under the criteria (such as diabetes); maybe she was stable and had lived at he home for several years but the owners would collect that money.
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As far as Obama shutting down government, well I'm afraid the polling proves you wrong on that one. Anyone paying attention knows the GOP Extremist Party are the ones responsible for the Shut Down. They were so intent on breaking the law they couldn't see through delusion they suffer from. The President has the Veto, blame the constitution for that one. If the GOP truly wanted to repeal the ACA they should have planned a little better and tried to win enough voters to give them that option by taking over the senate and the white house. But as it stands now they will most likely go backwards again in 2014 when they lose the House, and then they will never get rid of the ACA because by the time they get back in power ( if ever) the people will revolt when they try to repeal a POPULAR law.

funny how that works huh....
Care to explain how the GOP broke the law?
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I agree with this. At least, if it were to take hold for any serious length of time.

But Morris's view--and my own view, also--is that ObamaCare will quickly reveal itself to be a dismal failure; that this will likely lead to a Republican takeover of the Senate in 2014, and a Republican president two years later; and ObamaCare can then be repealed, successfully.
Are you forgetting what this media does?...

It's irrelevant how much of a disaster Obamacare IS because the media will call it a glowing success no matter what!...

Just look at what happened last week...Instead of focusing on the millions of people that couldn't even get to a point of checking out the exchanges, they rallied around ONE GUY and claimed how great Obamacare was working and everyone else are just a bunch of impatient, stupid people...

No...Obamacare being a disaster will be the next "Pay no attention to what's behind the curtain" scenario...It will be downplayed and "Ho-hummed" by the media while they spend their time looking for October surprises on the Republican candidates that have a chance to pick up a Democratic seat...
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Well, in 1989, the catastrophic-care provision of Medicare (passed the previous year) was repealed, due to widespread discontent with the new law...
The Obamacare Class provisions were likewise repealed early on. The question was major entitlements repealed. Provisions of the programs get repealed but Medicare continues as an untouchable entitlement despite $30 trillion in unfunded liability. Obamacare will be the same once they finally get enough subsidy dependence, huge cash dark hole but with a base too large to repeal. It will not fail on its own.
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