Originally Posted by mlurp

Again I respect the people involved in this situation an believe most will offer good for the communities they settle in. But ten thousand a day isn't going to help America grow. Do the math.
And in the mean time some of these might be terrorist coming across the boarders mixed in with the others looking to better them selfs..

Originally Posted by dga

“The Democratic leadership has amassed a significant track record of using the Iraq War as a means to advance their partisan politics. With the recess quickly approaching, this is not the time for such maneuvers, and this is certainly not the appropriate vehicle on which to attach such a blatantly political statement"

This is certainly a statement I can agree with. Yet another example of trying to get legislation through the back door, when it should be tackled head on. Something has got to give,

Originally Posted by saltwn

I'm almost a little disappointed. I thought you were going to rant and rave over this. but I guess you have common sense after all. I see what you're getting at now ( ) -to meet the problem in the open and try to get something done.

Originally Posted by dga

Is that supposed to be a compliment?

Yes, although it was mixed with sarcasm.

It's hard to get the point when that red haze is fogging your vision. Do you mean red state haze? (cause I get them mixed up the red and blues.) But if red means Republican- I am far from it. I was once a "dyed in the wool Democrat", but as they say I didn't leave the party -it left me! I once voted Republican and will regret that vote (Reagan's second term) to the longest day I live. So I am an independant. Right now I am in McCain's camp, but that could change. Next election might see me backing a Democrat from the get-go!I will try and express myself in one or two liners from now on, they seem to do the trick,

I like that, Sarcasm for sarcasm.

My disappointment lies in the fact that I thought we'd reached some kind of middle ground, but we keep going in circles,

Originally Posted by saltwn

• The hypocrisy. We have two signs on the U.S.-Mexican border: "Keep Out" and "Help Wanted."

• The double standard. The same folks who have zero tolerance for illegal immigrants easily tolerate those who hire them.

• The buck-passing. Americans love to blame Mexico for their choices, yelling across the border: "Stop us before we hire again."

• The racism. With lightning speed, the debate went from anti-illegal immigrant to anti-immigrant to anti-Mexican.

• The naiveté. People ask why Mexico won't help stop illegal immigration. Hint: Last year, Mexicans in the United States sent home $25 billion.

Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

Hypocrisy: It's funny to start with that since these other reasons I grouped together show hypocrisy in how the issue is viewed by those who think those of us who are anti-ILLEGAL immigration are hypocrites.
While the issue seems to be with the Southern border it certainly isn't exclusively about Mexicans. However, Navarette points the money trail back to Mexico & no where else. The issue is about ILLEGAL immigration; Navarette is the one who took it directly into anti-Mexican.
And, anyone really serious about border control favors real punishments for those who do hire ILLEGALS. Navarettes assertion that the people don't care about that is absurd & inaccurate.


Most of us are trying to weed them out. The problem is...that's all that's left running for president.


Correct: building a wall without guarding that wall will prove to be a waste of time & money as well as ignoring the laws that we already have & should currently be enforcing. However, there are solutions that are workable & building a wall (or, a double fence with a patrol road in between them) is a great place to start.


Sorry, but profiling is what makes law enforcement possible.


I agree. Some people just hate for almost any reason. They are sick & twisted & certainly do not represent the majority of Americans.


Sorry, but it's not the Americans with amnesia. Most of us understand that our ancestors struggled when they came here. In some cases they left their surnames behind to avoid prejudices. They helped create the melting pot Navarette seems to have a problem with. The melting pot became a necessity for survival; it certainly wasn't a welcome wagon with biscuts & cookies. It was a hard life that may have seemed unfair at the time. It is far more unfair to consider what those folks did legally & what today's ILLEGAL immigrants seem to be expecting from American citizens without the willingness to assimilate.

Originally Posted by dga

It seems you missed the points argued in the post, which is that the illegal immigrant debate results in discrimination against all Hispanics legal and not. Everyone (including the author) is in favor of closing the border, it is a security risk and detrimental to our country's health, economic and otherwise. But in not addressing the issue, and continuing the status quo, it is creating a backlash against 35 million Americans (read into this American Hispanics) who are feeling the heat.