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Old 03-14-2013, 10:48 AM
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Article below is interesting, to say the least. I am not sure if what the Author points out is unintended consequences, or just a natural extension of liberal thinking.
I don't necessarily agree with all the points here, but it is something that should be considered in the current debate.




Can poor people be trusted with guns? Overwhelmingly, Republicans thinks so. But while Democrats fight against taxes on the poor and oppose voter photo IDs because they impose too much of burden, they seem to be doing everything possible – from fees, expensive training requirements, and photo IDs -- to make it next to impossible for the poor to own guns.

Indeed, legislation in at least 17 states around the country is aimed specifically at making it more costly to own a gun. Democrats are voting in mass against exempting the poor from fees when it comes to guns. New Yorkers aren't alone facing everything from registration fees to buying liability insurance.

That's too bad, because many law-abiding citizens, particularly minorities in crime-ridden neighborhoods really do need a gun for self-defense. There is little doubt that the people who are most likely to be victims of violent crime – again, overwhelmingly poor blacks in urban areas -- are also the ones who benefit the most from owning guns. Research, including my own, has demonstrated this.

Apparently, Democrats believe that the right to self-defense is something that only belongs to the wealthy.

While police are the single most important factor in reducing crime, the police themselves recognize that they almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has been committed. But criminals are deterred by the possibility that victims have guns. And if indeed a criminal does strike, threatening to shoot is the safest course of action, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey

But Democrats seem to think that waiting for police to arrive from a 911 call is good enough for the poor.

Next week Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) will introduce legislation that will ban the production of inexpensive guns in the United States. While it is true that some criminals use these guns, these smaller, lighter handguns are also ideal for self-defense. And of course they are particularly helpful for poor would-be victims who can't afford more expensive guns.

Just a few weeks ago, the Obama administration made the extremely unusual move of lobbying state House members in Colorado for a bill that would charge people a fee when they purchase a gun. Democrats voted down Republican amendments that would have exempted poor people from paying the fee and capped the fee at a maximum of $25.

In Maryland, Democrats have also refused to exempt poor people from fees for their new gun licensing proposal. The $25 fee is the least of costs facing poor people. Getting a license will require 16 hours of training is something that could easily cost over $300. Do Democrats seriously think that poor people are going to be able to afford these training costs?

The bill passed this week by the Maryland state Senate appears to allow only one office in the state for filing for the license -- the current state police headquarters in Pikesville, Maryland. Kempton, Maryland in the western part of the state is a 4 hour drive away from Pikesville. Crisfield, Maryland in the east is over 3 hours away. Do Democrats seriously think that poor people are going to be able to afford this travel?

If you want to see the impact of these fees and training requirements on the ability of the poor to defend themselves, people need to look no farther than Washington, D.C. and Chicago, where only two and three thousand people, respectively, have gone through the licensing process.

Despite major Supreme Court victories that technically allow people to own handguns, it is something clearly beyond the reach of poorer citizens. For Chicago, there is a $100 city license fee plus another $15 per gun. Illinois adds another state license, though that only costs another $10. Then there is the five hour training classes that frequently cost around $150.

While gun ownership nationally varies very little with income, there is a huge difference in Chicago: zip codes with a median family income of $120,000 have twice the handgun ownership rate as those with a median family income of $60,000 and those families are in turn twice as likely as those at $30,000.

The impact of fees and training is no different with concealed handgun permits. Texas has four times Indiana’s population, yet it has issued only slightly more permits, 584,000 versus 450,000. The difference is not because Texans like guns less. It is simply that Texans have a more difficult time getting permits. The fee for getting a 5-year permit in Texas is $140, but only $65 in Indiana. Similarly, Texas requires 10 hours of training and Indiana doesn't require any.

Massachusetts shows the possible fate of increasing the costs of gun ownership. Since its licensing law went into effect in 1998, the number of registered gun owners in the state has plummeted from 1.5 million to just over 200,000 today. Meanwhile Massachusetts’ murder rate soared from 70% of the average rate for its neighbors to 130 percent.

Democrats want poor minorities votes, they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Apparently, Democrats believe that the right to self-defense is something that only belongs to the wealthy.

John R. Lott, Jr. is a FoxNews.com contributor. An economist and former chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission, he is also a leading expert on guns. He is the author of several books, including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is "At the Brink: Will Obama Push Us Over the Edge? (Regnery Publishing 2013)." Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr

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The government needs to keep out of the gun "requirements" of the American people. PERIOD.

It's very simple, people. Any of you remember the movie DEMOLITION MAN? The bad guy tells the "leader" of the city that he cannot not take away people's rights to be a**holes. The only thing, it is apparent, that anyone can do, is to make any perp suffer the consequences of his abuse of any weapon.

One million more anti-gun laws later, barring what the "public servant" Biden said about the existing ones (paraphrased, they don't have the time to enforce the old laws, they need new ones), there will still be murders and mayhem and slaughter committed by people judged mentally fit or mentally unfit. Maybe, like Archie Bunker said, in answering his daughter Gloria's wail about people being killed by guns, "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"
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Not only does increasing the costs of gun ownership impact the poor more the police response times are already longer in those neighborhoods to begin with. It's a lose lose if you're in the barrio.
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Hard to believe the Dems would oppress the very folks who vote for them.....
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Hard to believe the Dems would oppress the very folks who vote for them.....
That is precisely why those people want their constituents. They are very easy to control.
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Hard to believe the Dems would oppress the very folks who vote for them.....
It's how they retain power.
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Hard to believe the Dems would oppress the very folks who vote for them.....
It tells you these people vote for party not common sense.
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It tells you these people vote for party not common sense.
They vote for the thugs who give them goodies stolen from taxpayers.
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They vote for the thugs who give them goodies stolen from taxpayers.
I was trying to be nice about it, but, yeah, that too!
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Anti-2nd amendment laws are designed to hurt the poor. Many states impose license fees to own a firearm. If you buy from a gun shop you have to pay for a back ground check. Many states ban low cast guns demonized as a Saturday night specials.
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