BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for “John Hagee Roman Church Hitler,” and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.

What you’ll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,” Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.” That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,” which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.

Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious conservatives’ favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/op...95f&ei=5087%0A

Doubt this will cause much of a stir..

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But I believe you. It's dog eat dog in the prez race right now. Pardon my short words. bumpy road here
I have heard some pretty forceful stuff from Evangelicals in my time and didn't agree w it all

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I'm sure we will be hearing a lot about Rev. John Hagee in late June. It will not have anywhere near the impact of Obama's 20 year association with Rev Wright but it will get some attention.The Rev John Hagee is not McCain's mentor nor is he his spiritual advisor. Still...there will be calls for McCain to renounce Hagee's statments and he will do just that but he may lose a few Catholics in the process.Some voters take a keen interest in these associations while others do not.

He's already done so...That (among other things like no 20 year relationship) is why it's not an issue...McCain, instead of delivering a speech saying he can't disown his pastor like he could his own grandmother (and then a month later disowned him), came right out and said it...

McCain rejects Hagee's views on Catholics

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That's great and as mentioned,he didn't have a 20 year association with Hagee nor was he McCain's mentor.Still..the D's will attempt to draw some kind of parallel and it will fail.McCains association is a far cry from Obama's association with Wright but we all know the D's will raise the issue.

The difference is you have two religious leaders. They both said stupid shit. One candidate has had to explain over and over about his relationship with wright. Even after he has completely rejected those statements. The other accepts the endorsement and is allowed to reject only the statements that are anti Catholic. And nobody cares. I see a double standard here.

And you think the big difference is because Obama attended the church for twenty years. Hagee and the rest of the moral majority have been spewing their hate speech for at least that long. An I have not seen a single loop of video about any of them. Have you?

Absolutely. The attempt to force a comparison between a impersonal, non relationship of McCain's to a 20 year association and "spiritual mentorship" of Obama by Wright is absolutely insane. It is an attempt to deflect from the real issue of Obama's poor judgment in who he associates with.

And Obama has stated that his association with Wright is a valid concern but you STILL DON"T SEE THE PROBLEM! The reason WHY Obama had to keep explaining over and over again is because this IS a valid issue.

Obama and his family attended that racist-anti American church for 20 years. They "knew" that Wright was and remains..anti-white and that he is a racist. Only when the media got hold of the story did Obama renounce Wright's rhetoric! You see Mikeyy...while Hagee endoresed McCain..Obama "endorsed" the Rev Wright by remaining in that racist,anti-American congregation for 20 years. Yes..there certainly IS a difference!

A candidate cannot be blamed because someone endorsed them. In Obama's case...he endorsed Wright for two decades by remaining in that congregation with full knowledge of the shepherds theme and theology.

Yeah ..I can see a "difference".Obama made a "choice",he supported Wright's rhetoric until it was exposed.McCain picked up an endorsement but was not a member of Hagee's church and thus not associated with his anti-Catholic rhetoric.

Thats like saying I endorse Hitler except for that Jewish thing. And Like I said these pronoucements by these evangelists is as old as Obamas realtionship with Wright. Maybe McCain wasn't always aware of Hagees rants. But he has neen for atleast 10 years. And he still seeked his endorsement.

As far as Obama goes. I agree that he attended a Church where there was anti patriotic, anti white, rhetoric spewed. And I think he ignored it for political reasons. Just like they all do. People do some funny things in order to get to a position to be POTUS. And sometimes its by calculation. Obama is no exception. They all kiss asses they shouldn't etc. Now knowing that I may not be happy with what they have all done to get to this point. I still have to choose one. Obama is doing better in my book. I'm no Obamatron either.

No..it's the other way around,McCain was not endorsing Hagee..Hagee was endorsing McCain!

Please provide a link to McCain specifically "seeking" only Hagee's endorsement.While he and almost every politician courts the endorsement of Christians,it is a stretch to suggest that McCain wanted "Hagee's" specific endorsement more than any other member of clergy.That said..Obama's story is far different,Obama was an active member of that church and it's pastor was the Rev Wright.

The "difference" is apparent to most of us.

It is interesting to note that when Obama was the "darling" of the media..people "complained" about it. Now that the media has focused on Obama's association with Wright,the media becomes unfair..

One cannot hold a candidate "accountable" when someone decides to endorse said candidate.However..when a candidate belongs to a racist anti-American church for 20 years,the concern is valid and Obama has said this himself!

I am very aware that politicians sometimes use a church for more than celebrating their faith. Politicians also use the church for social networking,this is especially true in the early years.I have stated this fact in other posts.However..they also "know" that this can be risky business.

For Obama..the chickens have come home to roost. He knows his association with Wright is a valid concern for voters and he knew that years ago.Politicians use people and organizations until they become libilities.Obama knows that Wright is now a liability and thus he has no more use for him.

Obama also knows that being the first "viable" black candidate,he cannot afford to bleed Independents. I prdict Obama will get the nomination but McCain will win the election. Hillary..with all of her baggage.. is the D's most viable candidate but they will run with Obama and lose the election due to defections from Hillary's former supporters.They will find out too late that they made the "wrong" move!

When Obama finally secures the nomination,the R's will run Wright's comments in loop mode,that you can depend on! No..it won't alienate the Democratic voters but it will alienate Independents and that will cripple Obama.We can argue as to whether this is "fair" for decades to come but for Obama..the chickens have indeed come home to roost.