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Old 12-12-2012, 12:36 AM
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Unions have made piss poor workers entrenched in the system at the detriment of productive people.

Unions had a point in time that is long gone now. Now they are just gangsters that limit production down to the level a retard can perform.

Unions did their job and now need to go away.
On the contrary in the case of construction skills it has been my experience union workers were highly skilled and proud of their work.

Just look at the clothing that was made here and what is now shipped from elsewhere. Almost anything else you can think of that is imported from some non western country is shoddy workmanship and cheaply slapped together.
Don't get me started on shoes
Union workers in Idaho before r2r were dedicated and cared about their output and about the company's success cause they felt it reflected on them and gave them a good living.
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UNIONS ASSAULT ON CAMERA!! - YouTube
Yep the so called reporters tried real hard to get something going. While Hannity was still on this morning (radio) he sounded giddy as someone told him one had successfully got someone to "assault" him
I bet the kid's value goes up at Fox
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Notice the past tense.

There was a time when they served a purpose.

As I have stated before, everything a Union has to offer now in the way of worker protection, is covered by laws. Now, they are an orgaization that extorts employers, demands pay levels above market tolerance, just so the workers can pay them to 'protect' them.

Sounds like a Coppala movie, eh?
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Notice the past tense.

There was a time when they served a purpose.

As I have stated before, everything a Union has to offer now in the way of worker protection, is covered by laws. Now, they are an orgaization that extorts employers, demands pay levels above market tolerance, just so the workers can pay them to 'protect' them.

Sounds like a Coppala movie, eh?
I wonder though how long those laws will roll back once collective bargaining is dead. Fact is Right to Work states pay scales are 3.5% less than those with out the Right to Work laws. The also have higher rates of unemployment. Now I left the Union in 1980 as I went into another line of work as a Security Contractor and later into other businesses.
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yep all those gun rights advocates so vigilant yet they can't understand the same thing when it comes to labor relations.

o yeah and here's the "reporter"
comedian Steven Crowder




yeah the legislators who didn't want to vote for this were threatened to be primaried by koch bros,
wake the koch up, America.
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I wonder though how long those laws will roll back once collective bargaining is dead.
Given that 90% of the US workforce is NOT union right now, I seriously doubt those laws will go anywhere. I mean, if 10% of the workforce suddenly isn't union, you really think that's going to mean squat regarding the laws?

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Fact is Right to Work states pay scales are 3.5% less than those with out the Right to Work laws. The also have higher rates of unemployment. Now I left the Union in 1980 as I went into another line of work as a Security Contractor and later into other businesses.
Please provide us with some specifics about that. Some charts showing the wages per state comparing worker freedom states to forced union states would be sufficient, I think.

Here's someone against right to work who cites a study saying the exact opposite. And uses that study as a grounds to claim that "right to work" is unnecessary.
Ball State Study: Right-To-Work Results Sketchy Elsewhere | News - Indiana Public Media

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Hicks says the study finds that manufacturing wages, employment and economic growth remained virtually unchanged in states after right-to-work laws took effect. He says in Indiana, the climate is almost too positive to need such a law…

Y'all should try to get your facts straight and together. You have some people arguing against worker freedom and liberty citing that allowing workers freedom means lower wages, and other people also against worker's freedom of choice citing that allowing workers freedom shows no change whatsoever so why bother?


If unions are so awesome, then giving workers freedom and choice should have no effect on them. If it does have an effect on them, then maybe workers don't feel unions are so awesome after all. Regardless, it should be an individual's choice. I remain dumbfounded why some people don't wish to allow workers freedom and choice.
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Given that 90% of the US workforce is NOT union right now, I seriously doubt those laws will go anywhere. I mean, if 10% of the workforce suddenly isn't union, you really think that's going to mean squat regarding the laws?
and it takes twice the amount of people to obtain a lifestyle that is 100% less likely to provide the basics than when there was a healthy offering of both un and non jobs.
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Please provide us with some specifics about that. Some charts showing the wages per state comparing worker freedom states to forced union states would be sufficient, I think.
bureau of labor statistics.
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If unions are so awesome, then giving workers freedom and choice should have no effect on them. If it does have an effect on them, then maybe workers don't feel unions are so awesome after all. Regardless, it should be an individual's choice. I remain dumbfounded why some people don't wish to allow workers freedom and choice.
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Unions have made piss poor workers entrenched in the system at the detriment of productive people.
Unions don't have the market cornered on piss poor workers Mike......


Entire industries are full of detrimental people....

Banking and insurance are but two examples.....
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and it takes twice the amount of people to obtain a lifestyle that is 100% less likely to provide the basics than when there was a healthy offering of both un and non jobs.
Huh?

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bureau of labor statistics.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Regardless, a $1000 bucks or so is hardly significant.

But I did find this:
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The American Legislative Exchange Council recently published research completed by the National Institute for Labor Relations which provides five different forms of tangible information regarding the economic differences between right to work and non-right to work states. The research completed was based upon statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Census Bureau, United States Patent and Research Office and Bureau of Economic Analysis. Five economic factors were analyzed in right to work and non-right to work states in the Midwest, with the following statistical outcomes:

1. Percentage Growth in Non-Farm Private Sector Employees (1995-2005)
a. Right to Work States: 12.9%
b. Non-right to Work States: 6.0%

2. Average Poverty Rate-Adjusted for Cost of Living (2002-2004)
a. Right to Work States: 8.5%
b. Non-right to Work States: 10.1%

3. Percentage Growth in Patents Annually Granted (1995-2005)
a. Right to Work States: 33.0%
b. Non-right to Work States: 11.0%

4. Percentage Growth in Real Personal Income (1995-2005)
a. Right to Work States: 26.0%
b. Non-right to Work States: 19.0%

5. Percentage Growth in Number of People Covered by Employment Based Private Health Insurance (1995-2005):
a. Right to Work States: 8.5%
b. Non-right to Work States: 0.7%

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you belong to an org you pay dues or do not get the benefits of same.
If you CHOOSE to belong to an org you should pay dues. If you are FORCED to belong to an org, those dues should not be stolen from you against your will.

Additionally, there's zero issue, IMO, of employees choosing not to join the union thug club and then also NOT getting the "benefit" of being told what to do by them or how much they should make or if they can work or not work, etc. No issue with that at all. I'm completely and always on the side of individual freedom and choice.
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