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The article only looks at state aid in the form of cash assistance ignoring Federal and local welfare altogether.
The article is wrong. No one on welfare recieves $60,000 a year.
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The 2% Federal funding is deceptive the bulk of Federal funding is passed to local stations which use it to purchase NPR programming. If it is really only 2% Federal funding then they ought to be able to get along just fine without it.
Yes, I'm all for NPR being free of government funding.
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The 2% Federal funding is deceptive the bulk of Federal funding is passed to local stations which use it to purchase NPR programming. If it is really only 2% Federal funding then they ought to be able to get along just fine without it.
Yes, I'm all for NPR being free of government funding. For one second, it may stop someone like you from complaining. The average cost of NPR government funding is one tax dollar a year for all Americans. Divide that by 365 days a year and it's next to nothing.

I think the right only wants the government to pay for the military, prisons and the police. That's right wing values. Tax dollars going to kill people but not feed them, or educate them.


About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies.
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government...re-statistics/

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Yes, I'm all for NPR being free of government funding. For one second, it may stop someone like you from complaining. The average cost of NPR government funding is one tax dollar a year for all Americans. Divide that by 365 days a year and it's next to nothing.

I think the right only wants the government to pay for the military, prisons and the police. That's right wing values. Tax dollars going to kill people but not feed them, or educate them.


About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies.
Think by Numbers Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs
Department of Commerce reports $57 billion in corporate subsidies, $2 billion less than welfare spending. Neither is justified at the current level. The difference is corporations create jobs while welfare spending creates dependency. Federal spending tends to be self perpetuating. For example farm subsidies began as part of the new deal in an effort to raise prices. More than 70 years later these subsidies are justified as keeping farm prices down.
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Walmart gets a ton of subsidies for wiping out all competition. That's the free enterprise system for you. Free for corporations, and the heck with everyone else!

"A report from the Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimated that one 200-person Wal-Mart store comes at a cost of $420,750 per year to federal taxpayers. What does that price tag buy? Housing assistance, low-income tax credits and deductions, free or reduced lunches for children of employees, and low-income energy assistance, among other things. Taking into account the number of Wal-Mart stores and the number of employees per store, taxpayers are paying more than $1.5 billion to support Wal-Mart's profits.

The problem isn't limited to Wal-Mart. When a Wal-Mart store is built in an area, smaller retailers who can't compete with the chain's low prices disappear. Those jobs, despite Wal-Mart's promise, aren't replaced at an equal rate or comparable salary. For stores that do manage to stay open, Wal-Mart drives down wages, reducing the take-home pay of retail workers by $4.7 billion a year.

This isn't a case of dedicated, loyal employees taking a hit for a struggling company. In 2011, despite the country's economic woes, Wal-Mart had an estimated revenue of $444.2 billion, an increase of 4.8 percent."
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Walmart gets a ton of subsidies for wiping out all competition. That's the free enterprise system for you. Free for corporations, and the heck with everyone else!
No one should be getting subsidies.
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Meanwhile, one study found over 240 examples of subsidies from taxpayers to help Wal-Mart build new retail outlets and distribution centers—in fact, 90 percent of these huge warehouses that Wal-Mart claims it needs were subsidized from the public purse. That's corporate welfare, too.

How does a company like Wal-Mart get away with it? Partly, by wrapping themselves in a mythology that their history was an entrepreneurial miracle—and that its gobbling up of smaller retailers happened because they did a better job in some kind of open, dog-eat-dog competition. In actual fact, it couldn't have happened without special favors from statehouses and Washington D.C. It takes a lot of ideological mumbo-jumbo to call that a triumph of the free market—but somehow conservatives manage it.


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Economics Conservatives’ false belief that anything having to do with business is automatically part of the free market both causes and justifies corporate welfare. Government subsidies—which conservatives teach us rot moral character, but only in the case of vulnerable individuals—get miscast as the operations of this mythical free market. The institutions that end up with the "freedom" always turn out to be big businesses, who throw around their market power to bully everyone else. Ordinary Americans end up less free—and the wealthiest Americans end up cornering the market. Here's how:

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Cato Institute colleague Tad DeHaven has published a new study, “Corporate Welfare in the Federal Budget,” on business subsidies, which he figures to cost about $100 billion a year. Slashing corporate welfare obviously won’t balance the budget—which is why middle class and defense welfare also have to go on the chopping block. However, cutting business subsidies would be a good start to balancing the budget. Moreover, going after corporate welfare is essential to create a budget package that the public will see as fair.

Corporate welfare reflects politics at its worst. Local businessmen are important constituents who seek aid in return for political support. Local and state officials press legislators to win federal subsidies for businesses within their jurisdictions. National companies and associations spend generously on campaign contributions and lobbying campaigns.

Where to Cut the Federal Budget? Start by Killing Corporate Welfare - Forbes
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The article is wrong. No one on welfare recieves $60,000 a year.
That was average benefits, not average welfare check. It includes things like medical care, free childcare, housing assistance, help with utility bills, etc. I know people who are multi-generational welfare families that live better than people I know who are working for a living. It's a broken system that needs fixing. We need accountability for every dime being spent. We need people being pushed to get off welfare instead of encouraged to stay on it. We need more people being productive, instead of sitting aroung getting stoned (most of the people I know who live on welfare spend a substantial amount of time getting high). We need systems in place that don't prop up the lazy, while still helping those in true need. We need to eliminate the automatic budget increases that our welfare system gets and put them on a sytem wherein they get budgetted only what they need, so that they put the money to use in the best way possible and not just the most expedient. There are so many places the welfare system could be improved and made into what it's supposed to be (short-term help), instead of what it's become (a lifestyle).
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Yes, I'm all for NPR being free of government funding. For one second, it may stop someone like you from complaining. The average cost of NPR government funding is one tax dollar a year for all Americans. Divide that by 365 days a year and it's next to nothing.

I think the right only wants the government to pay for the military, prisons and the police. That's right wing values. Tax dollars going to kill people but not feed them, or educate them.


About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies.
Think by Numbers Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs
....and abstincy only programs....and private schools....and religious welfare.
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