lie you believe sir.
obama has not taken a dime from medicare

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Correct...

$716 billion is NOT a dime...

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You need to ask the Democrats this. They are the ones who passed Obamacare.

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Xcali, the three reports they are talking about were all issued after Obamacare was passed. They were issued on July 24, July 31 and June 5 (all in 2012) if I am not mistaken. I know there was an earlier one also either in the latter part of 2011 or early 2012, but I can't find it right now.

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I need to ask every party this considering that none of the above have bothered to properly allocate for Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security since day one...

Pull your head out and start thinking about the big picture. Quit being so desperately partisan.

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Obamacare addresses this problem by having boards of political appointees ration care either by denying care or by setting payments to providers so low it chokes off their availability. That is what is called cost savings by the OA.

Kaiser: Obamacare slowed down the rate of increase in employer health premiums

Kaiser: Obamacare slowed down the rate of increase in employer health premiums - National White House Press | Examiner.com

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) is doing what it was designed to do. Slow down and eventually reduce the cost of health care for more and more Americans. The PPACA, also known as Obamacare, is a complex law designed to improve the cost and distribution of health care.

That is exactly what The Henry J. Kaiser Foundation found in a recent survey of employers.

The Henry J. Kaiser Foundation's research group, Health Research & Educational Trust (HRET), conducted its annual employer survey and found that premiums for employer-sponsored health coverage rose only 4% during 2012. This information was made available through a press release from the Henry J. Kaiser Foundation.

The average premium cost to employers are at $15,745 this year, with workers on average
contributing $4,316 toward the cost of their coverage, according to the 2012 Employer Health Benefits Survey.

The increase is modest by historical standards, says HRET. Since 2002, premiums have increased 97 percent, three times as fast as wages (33 percent) and inflation (28 percent).

“In terms of employee insurance costs, this year’s 4 percent increase qualifies as a good year, but it still takes a growing bite out of middle-class workers’ wages, which have been flat or falling in real terms,” Kaiser President and CEO Drew Altman, Ph.D. said. Dr. Altman authored a “Pulling It Together” column reflecting on this year’s results.

Dr. Altman added that he foresees this trend of lower cost continuing. "With the economy only slowly recovering and wage stagnation depressing utilization, there is no reason to expect a return to double digit increases in health insurance premiums anytime soon, if at all." He credits "the implementation of the Affordable Care Act and reductions in Medicare or Medicaid spending that might arise out of budget talks."

“Premium growth is at historic lows, which greatly benefits workers. Continuing to ensure that Americans have coverage options that are affordable is vitally important for our nation’s health,” said Maulik Joshi, Dr.P.H., president of HRET and senior vice president for research at the American Hospital Association.

As to the impact of The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the survey estimates that 2.9 million young adults are currently covered by employer plans this year as a result of a provision in the 2010 Affordable Care Act that allows young adults up to age 26, up from the 2.3 million in the 2011 survey.

Now in its 14th year, the survey is a joint project of the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust. The survey was conducted between January and May of 2012 and included 3,326 randomly selected, non-federal public and private firms with three or more employees (2,121 of which responded to the full survey and 1,205 of which responded to a single question about offering coverage).

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You are the one that needs to recognize the reality that these entitlement programs are on the road to bankruptcy. Why is funding for SS and Medicare on auto pilot? Why did the Obamacare bill have $120 billion in appropriations buried within it? It is because a rational consideration of the costs would expose the fallacy of their promise of something for nothing from Uncle Sugar. Instead we have politicians including our current President demogoging any attempt at reform in the name of saving benefits.

Accusing me of repeating a lie is strong stuff, Salty. Even the OA claims the $716 billion diverted from Medicare is "savings". They don't deny they are taking it.

Ok then thank you for proving my point.. More Spin..

The link you posted with the article contains a link to the " three consecutive reports" which leads to the document I posted here. He talks about three reports.. then links to the three I showed... so did he use the wrong reports?

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