Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/42905

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012...drunken-sailor

WHAT SPENDING?

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What spending? The $5 trillion added to the national debt. The massive annual deficits making the US look more like Greece every year.

Bush's spending spiked in the last year in response to the financial crisis. Senator Obama voted in favor of the TARP and President Obama spent half the TARP funds as well as repaid monies from the banks.

Of course with Obama every year is a crisis requiring more spending. But don't worry, Obama's spending is not really spending, the spiraling deficit and debt are someone elses fault.

SO you can't really answer the question?.. you keep dancing around the subject tossing out bogus claims, why can't you back them up?..

The TARP bill was already decided, passed, and signed by Bush.. So that spending was tacked on Bush's record. Obama may have managed the spending but the amount was already in the budget so you can't blame Obama for that....

I've asked a hundred times and so far all you do is tip toe around the subject or rant on another issue to distract from answering the question...

so stand up to your bogus claim, show us the spending initiated by Obama that added 5 trillion to the debt.

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The ignorance is amazing. Obama asked for and received authorization to spend half the TARP money after the previous administration announced it would not be required to stabilize the financial system. It is inargueable that Obama is responsible for this TARP spending. But wait, Obama spent the TARP funds the banks repaid as well. Once again this spending is Obama's.

I am not refusing to answer your question about what spending Obama is responsible for or initiated or whatever modifier you want to use to excuse Obama's spending. You cannot comprehend a simple truth "all of it" so here is a methodology for your enlightenment. Pick out a Federal spending line item, Obama is responsible for this spending, repeat until all Federal spending is accounted for.

Ok I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go along with this bull**** story... Let's give Obama Credit for half the Tarp Spending. They ended up spending around 800 billion dollars... fair enough?.. I'll give Obama 400 billion of that... plus the 800 billion he spent on stimulus.. You don't get credit for the money Paid back by the banks because you haven't proven that spending.

Now we're up to 1.2 trillion in new spending under the Obama administration. Now CAN YOU FINISH THE LIST?...

No dude you are damn near running away from answering the question. The Fact is Obama didn't add 5 trillion to our debt. Most of that 5 trillion in additional debt was Tax cuts initiated by Bush and War spending initiated by bush and carried over to Obama. Obama has initiated the stimulus bill... He repealed don't ask don't tell... which didn't cost anything, he passed Healthcare, which is paid for,and he has issued a few executive orders, none of which would include spending. In fact since 2010 when the house republicans gained control any Obama spending measures have been blocked, so what you are trying to make everyone believe is that Obama spent 5 trillion dollars in less than 2 years... Bulls***....

If you have evidence to prove otherwise then kindly post it . I'm really interested in seeing all this mythical spending Obama has been doing, I wanna see how he got around Congress to do all that .

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And once again you refuse to acknowledge entitlement spending which is the bulk of the budget. You are willing to put those costs against the Bush Administration, but refuse to put them against Obama. Democratic liberal fuzzy math. What a joke.

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Originally Posted by Xcali
Uh.. No he couldn't. The President doesn't have that Power, all he can do is make suggestions for spending measures in his Budget proposal. Congress Appropriates spending each year based off the budget blueprint they pass and the president signs into Law. Obama couldn't cut spending any more than I could.

But his Democratic controlled House and Senate could have. They had the necessary votes and had 2 years to do so. Why didn't they stop all this spending? I'll tell you why, because most of it was instituted by Obama. Spend and tax. It's what the Democrats do so well.


And we're back to the unanswered question I have been asking and not getting an answer to..... One more time... Show me the "Spending" That Obama initiated.

I'll start you off...

800 billion stimulus...

Every item on the budget is Obama's spending. He is responsible for everything including welfare, food stamps, SS and Medicare. You threw all these costs against George Bush, but are now insisting Obama isn't responsible for them. Every other president has had to contend with these costs. What makes Obama special that they don't count against him? Just more liberal fuzzy math.

Now fill in the rest with all this mythical spending that is adding to our deficits and debt.

: Note: Be sure and subtract the cost of the Iraq War.. Since he ended that one already those savings go to his spending ...



He did what any President would do under the same circumstances. The fact that he has been attempting to reverse those Tax cuts, Specifically on the Upper Tax brackets, since he came into office. The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010.. so they were figured into his own budgets up to that point. He wanted to allow them to expire for the top but leave the middle class tax cuts because the economy was already weak and middle class folks were already hurting. A tax increase for them at that point would have been devastating for them and would have killed him politically. The Republicans refused to allow the top tax brackets to be increased so in the face of that the President did the only thing he could do and signed an extension. He also used it as a trading tool to get more unemployment benefits extended as well.

He could have stopped those tax cuts at any time. He didn't have the guts to do so, because it would cost him votes. He wasn't forced to do anything as he had the votes in Congress to make any changes he desired. As usual, he blames everyone else for his shortcomings. The Republicans did it. Bush did it. What a wimp.

It's called Leadership..
JURIST - This Day at Law

I don't particularly like the Patriot Act but under the Circumstances and under the threat of another terrorist attack on American soil I believe the Act should have been extended at least until we are done in Afghanistan and all of our troops on home on American Soil. As long as we are fighting in the Middle east and painting targets on our backs we need this Law to protect the home Front.

Obama promised he would get rid of it. It was just another empty promise. When he got to the point where he could get it repealed, he realized that when he was speaking out against it, he wasn't qualified to do so an he hadn't the foggiest notion of what was actually going on. He didn't repeal it because he finally realized it was necessary to keep the US safe. That wasn't leadership. That was incompetence.

I noticed that you didn't bother to answer my response to your claim that Obama isn't responsible for all the spending during his administration. Instead you go into a tirade about Romney. Way to change the subject.

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You said OBAMA added 5 trillion to the debt.. The challenge for YOU is to show 5 trillion dollars worth of NEW spending measures that were initiated Under OBAMA... you can't.

As I posted at the very beginning of your sprint away from the answer... Spending over the 4 years of the Obama Administration is projected to rise a mere 0.4%... That my dear boy is not 5 trillion dollars in spending. Most of the 5 trillion of additional debt came from the Bush tax cuts, Medicare Expansion ( Medicare Part D) , and War spending that Bush hid by keeping it off budget. I give Obama credit for the spending he did , and I realize it wasn't ALL Bush's fault.. But the facts and the math do not support your claim . The Numbers support the assertion I have made... Of Course you are still free to prove me wrong if you want to quit running away from the question?....

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I have responded several times, you keep running from the question remember?... I'm not changing the subject, but since you won't answer the question and can't prove the spending claim then We have to have something to talk about right?.. I'd be perfectly fine going back to the 5 trillion in debt that Obama DID NOT add to the debt, but I'm still waiting for you to back it up........

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The National Debt went up under Obama over $5 trillion dollars. I know it is hard for you to understand given your limited math knowledge, but it is a basic fact and indisputable. I've answered all your questions, but you refuse to acknowledge such and insist on using non-sensical semantics because you can't admit you are wrong. The money was spent and Obama was in office and responsible for it. These are the facts and you can't point the finger at someone else, because no one else was there. Once Bush left office, Obama accepted it just like all presidents before him. Obama is the only president to whine about his predecessor and point the finger at him 4 years after he left office. If I was a liberal, I would be embarassed by his constant whining and refusal to be a man and accept responsibility.

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