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Old 09-07-2012, 10:06 AM
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Well he didn't so why mention it. Most of the spending that has taken place over the last 3 and a half years was built into the Bush budget. Obama is responsible for the 800 billion stimulus... Everything else he passed he paid for. It was all the trillions of spending on credit cards that Bush did which drove us into a ditch and it was the Economic terrorist organization in Congress who caused the credit downgrade. They allowed it to happen and then raised the debt Ceiling anyway... it was their waiting that caused it.. how about getting you lies straight.
Thanks for proving that Obama is totally inept and unable to think for himself. He could have stopped what you consider to be Bush spending at any point in time, but he didn't. He not only continued it, he added greatly to it. And he continued Bush's failed fiscal policies by continuing the Bush tax cuts. He also continued the Patriot Act complete. My God. Obama is Bush!!
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:15 AM
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First the term is Supply-Side economics.
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Second all that money and prosperity is what convinced people with functional brains.
It's a reality thing.
"functional brains"?
You are insulting as usual. Why not just call people a "moron" if you can't argue the issue? Do you think accusing people of not having functional brains somehow is less of an insult?

The reality, without having to rely solely on insults, is simple.
80-year study: Democrats better at economics
also
Democratic presidents top Republican presidents in job creation

THAT's the reality that we have.
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He could have stopped what you consider to be Bush spending at any point in time, but he didn't.
Uh.. No he couldn't. The President doesn't have that Power, all he can do is make suggestions for spending measures in his Budget proposal. Congress Appropriates spending each year based off the budget blueprint they pass and the president signs into Law. Obama couldn't cut spending any more than I could.

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He not only continued it, he added greatly to it.
And we're back to the unanswered question I have been asking and not getting an answer to..... One more time... Show me the "Spending" That Obama initiated.

I'll start you off...

800 billion stimulus...

Now fill in the rest with all this mythical spending that is adding to our deficits and debt.

: Note: Be sure and subtract the cost of the Iraq War.. Since he ended that one already those savings go to his spending ...

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And he continued Bush's failed fiscal policies by continuing the Bush tax cuts.
He did what any President would do under the same circumstances. The fact that he has been attempting to reverse those Tax cuts, Specifically on the Upper Tax brackets, since he came into office. The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010.. so they were figured into his own budgets up to that point. He wanted to allow them to expire for the top but leave the middle class tax cuts because the economy was already weak and middle class folks were already hurting. A tax increase for them at that point would have been devastating for them and would have killed him politically. The Republicans refused to allow the top tax brackets to be increased so in the face of that the President did the only thing he could do and signed an extension. He also used it as a trading tool to get more unemployment benefits extended as well.

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He also continued the Patriot Act complete. My God. Obama is Bush!!
It's called Leadership..
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I don't particularly like the Patriot Act but under the Circumstances and under the threat of another terrorist attack on American soil I believe the Act should have been extended at least until we are done in Afghanistan and all of our troops on home on American Soil. As long as we are fighting in the Middle east and painting targets on our backs we need this Law to protect the home Front.
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Are you ever going to grow up ?... I doubt it
I thought we were playing a game. You post incredibly stupid stuff and I try to top it. But congratulations are in order. I have yet to come up with anything as stupid as what you post, but I'll keep trying...

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I thought we were playing a game. You post incredibly stupid stuff and I try to top it. But congratulations are in order. I have yet to come up with anything as stupid as what you post, but I'll keep trying...

Growing up is hard to do.
It's like a dog sniffing glue.
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Well I'm not playing your silly little game , go find you a couple of 10 year olds I'm sure they would love to play along. It's not my fault you don't comprehend reality , so while you continue to play your stupid word game I'll continue to ignore your posts...
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Uh.. No he couldn't. The President doesn't have that Power, all he can do is make suggestions for spending measures in his Budget proposal. Congress Appropriates spending each year based off the budget blueprint they pass and the president signs into Law. Obama couldn't cut spending any more than I could.

But his Democratic controlled House and Senate could have. They had the necessary votes and had 2 years to do so. Why didn't they stop all this spending? I'll tell you why, because most of it was instituted by Obama. Spend and tax. It's what the Democrats do so well.


And we're back to the unanswered question I have been asking and not getting an answer to..... One more time... Show me the "Spending" That Obama initiated.

I'll start you off...

800 billion stimulus...

Every item on the budget is Obama's spending. He is responsible for everything including welfare, food stamps, SS and Medicare. You threw all these costs against George Bush, but are now insisting Obama isn't responsible for them. Every other president has had to contend with these costs. What makes Obama special that they don't count against him? Just more liberal fuzzy math.

Now fill in the rest with all this mythical spending that is adding to our deficits and debt.

: Note: Be sure and subtract the cost of the Iraq War.. Since he ended that one already those savings go to his spending ...



He did what any President would do under the same circumstances. The fact that he has been attempting to reverse those Tax cuts, Specifically on the Upper Tax brackets, since he came into office. The Bush tax cuts were set to expire in 2010.. so they were figured into his own budgets up to that point. He wanted to allow them to expire for the top but leave the middle class tax cuts because the economy was already weak and middle class folks were already hurting. A tax increase for them at that point would have been devastating for them and would have killed him politically. The Republicans refused to allow the top tax brackets to be increased so in the face of that the President did the only thing he could do and signed an extension. He also used it as a trading tool to get more unemployment benefits extended as well.

He could have stopped those tax cuts at any time. He didn't have the guts to do so, because it would cost him votes. He wasn't forced to do anything as he had the votes in Congress to make any changes he desired. As usual, he blames everyone else for his shortcomings. The Republicans did it. Bush did it. What a wimp.

It's called Leadership..
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I don't particularly like the Patriot Act but under the Circumstances and under the threat of another terrorist attack on American soil I believe the Act should have been extended at least until we are done in Afghanistan and all of our troops on home on American Soil. As long as we are fighting in the Middle east and painting targets on our backs we need this Law to protect the home Front.
Obama promised he would get rid of it. It was just another empty promise. When he got to the point where he could get it repealed, he realized that when he was speaking out against it, he wasn't qualified to do so an he hadn't the foggiest notion of what was actually going on. He didn't repeal it because he finally realized it was necessary to keep the US safe. That wasn't leadership. That was incompetence.
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Obama promised he would get rid of it. It was just another empty promise. When he got to the point where he could get it repealed, he realized that when he was speaking out against it, he wasn't qualified to do so an he hadn't the foggiest notion of what was actually going on. He didn't repeal it because he finally realized it was necessary to keep the US safe. That wasn't leadership. That was incompetence.
Oh so you prefer a man who can change his mind when the circumstances warrant it but you hold Obama accountable for changing his mind when the circumstances warranted it?... Do you flop flop as much as Willard ?.....

How many Promises did Bush make during his campaigns that he didn't keep?... Did you keep a score on him as well?.. How about Clinton?.. did he make any Promises he didn't Keep?... Did you REALLY think anyone would keep every single Promise that he made?.... Better yet Do you REALLY think Willard will keep his Promises?...

I can tell you one he wouldn't keep.. Obamacare. He's Promised to Repeal Obamacare on day one... Do you believe him?...

Do you realize that he won't have enough support to repeal Obamacare, even if he has the house and Senate ?...

Holding Obama accountable for every tiny little obscure promise he made is laughable. he's kept a great deal more Promises than I expected he would so he's doing ok in my view.
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somehow they find a way to convince folks that this fictional republican war on women is real
Everyone knows the Republicans are not engaged in some "war on women." This is a scare tactic incorporated to sway the naive and stupid. Both sides of the aisle do it. The theory is if you say something enough, some individuals may believe it, regardless of facts.

It is a tactic older than dirt.
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It's not a war on women. As long as the women do with their bodies what freedom loving republicans tell them to do.
So chappaquiddic and the stained dress is a war on women?
And we do belong to the government. Try not sending your kids to school. Look at the fines involved for not registering for the draft.
"Ask not for what your country can do for you... " Most adults at the time laughed at this. nothing but a presidential speech.

Why don't you fetus loving republicans start a fund to take care of babies that women wanted to abort? Won't happen. Involves money. Republican politicians have a stroke over things like food stamps, nutrition programs for low income children, schip (state childrens health program), this shows their compassion and respect for life.


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you gotta hand it to the democrats...
somehow they find a way to convince folks that this fictional republican war on women is real while ignoring that the democrat war on women could be argued began at chappaquiddick in 1969 & continued through a stained dress in the oval office & is perpetuated today by convincing some women they're incapable of taking care of themselves. the women i know are strong & very capable but sadly some of them have bought into this democrat lie. i wonder if bill clinton will talk about his war on women tonight.
just like the democrat war on poverty has brought us more people in poverty & dependent on government they wish to do the same to women.
but what do you expect from a party that believes we belong to government instead of government belonging to us? that's right folks; democrats believe you are the property of government. what happened to the democrats that believed in "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"
and now democat pandering...after removing God & Jerusalem from their party platform have put them back in despite initially wishing them away.
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That's not an excuse it's the plain hard truth of the Republican party. You can blame Obama all you want but when it comes to the facts and the math your claims suddenly don't hold water. You "Claim" the mythical spending that Obama is doing yet when asked to point out said spending all you do is distract from the question and continue to spout the same baseless claims.
The fact is all the Federal spending during his term is Obama's. He had the tools to change Federal spending from the Bush budget but didn't. He could have decided not to spend the second half of the TARP.

The claim that through some magical process Obama hasn't added $5 trillion to the national debt is delusional. It is used to mask the failure of this massive overspending.
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