You haven't posted any numbers or facts explaining how Obama caused this economy. All you do is change the subject or sling a few insults when you get bcked into a corner and have no facts to back you.


I'll tell you what.. When you are willing to come out and Admit that George W. Bush put us into a ditch with his policy and stop defending him for his many, many, MANY failures I'll quit bringing him up. When you can be honest and give Obama an honest, unbiased critique of his policies and show exactly how he got us into this economy all by himself then I'll stop bringing Bush into it. But so far the right is batting 0 when it comes to that now aren't they.

It isn't Rocket science.. and it doesn't take one to see that Obama isn't totally blameless but the meager policy he has been able to pass a road block of a republican party IS NOT WHAT CAUSED THIS ECONOMY. Bush left a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit and you right wingers pin it all on Obama and then whine like little children when someone calls you out on it.

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Until the Republican Party actually does nominate the Romney - Ryan ticket in Tampa this week making it official, both candidates, like President Obama and "Crazy Joe" Biden, will flip-flop back and forth, trying to consolidate their Republican and Democratic base. Once nominated, the base will vote with their candidates, whether they change their rhetoric or positions anyways. It will be several key states and independent voters who will decide the election, plus Reagan Democrats who have had enough of Washington gridlock.

Romney has done an excellent job keeping the more active elements of the GOP in line, and although they have lukewarm support of him now, when election day comes, that Republican base, which always comes out in strength, will want Obama out so bad, that they will accept Mr. Romney, and support Mr. Ryan. Also, VP candidate Ryan has a budget to discuss and defend, while the President has failed the most basic requirement of his office, refusing to submit one. The Republican's are going to destroy Obama and Biden on that issue alone - Mr. Romney knew what he was doing, putting a sharp Congressional member like Ryan on the ticket, and changing the entire rhetoric of the campaign.

It will now be, which do you prefer, four years of do nothing Obama policies that Republican's won't support - or a Republican House, supported by a Republican President, who will send a budget to Congress, to get America moving again. Like Will Rogers said about FDR when he went to Washington, "the country doesn't care one bit what he does in office, but the fact that he actually is doing something has everyone excited." So it will go the rest of the way in the campaign, with the President having no accomplishment's to stand on, and trying to debase Romney in debate. That tactic will backfire with the American people watching the debates, big time, and Ryan will eat Biden raw in any political debate, IMO.

Whether that is the right way for America to go, who knows, but I don't see anything on the Democratic side, other than Obama resigning from office and appointing Hillary Clinton as President, that would keep the Democrats in the White House in November. Romney will do just fine as President.

I do think the Republican ticket will have to move away from the idea of eliminating Federal funding for Planned Parenthood, because it antagonizes most American women, and provides major medical benefits to the majority of needy females in the country. Besides, Federal funding is only 1/3 of that organization's monies - and isn't used for abortions. Expect Romney to back away from it - and no Republican's will care about it, it won't be a litmus test of GOP loyalty. That test is, do you want Obama out, and the GOP does.....

Here is my original post:

I have posted backup for all of the things in bold on various threads in this forum. Which things are incorrect and do you have something to support your opinion beside a far left blog?

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Obstructed needed oil supplies.
Failed to properly vet his choices in multiple cabinet positions (MAJOR leadership failure).
Broke KEY promises from his campaign. Not the minor stuff, but things that got him elected.
Committed a huge chunk of our future economy to a federally funded healthcare system that will vastly expand the demand on our healthcare system but did nothing to address the real problem - not enough healthcare providers.
Failed to address tort reform for the medical community.
Appointed partisans to gov't positions that should be non-partisan.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

Because change doesn't happen overnight. It's a slow process that often requires that we make choices to move from terrible to bad to mediocre to good. We'd all love to make the jump from terrible to good, but that's not how things work. It sucks and I wish it were different, but for now, it's what we have.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

First of all this entire statement is nothing more than buzz phrases , designed to paint the picture that you personally want everyone to see. If you supposedly " backed " any of this up you did so by using right wing blog and news articles that had little graphs designed by right wing pundits to paint the picture of Obama as the worst possible president ever. The statement lacks details and nuance. But I'm game, I'll take it line by line and add a little insight so everyone knows at least some facts....



Starting it all off with a little insult usually puts the opponent on the defensive. It's helpful if you want a real debate to limit the personal attacks. I'm not a politician by trade so I'm less inclined to be " politically Correct"... and will normally reply in kind , but I'll bite my tongue on this one.

This one is a very broad buzz phrase and not based on the reality of the situation. Go back to Jan 18th 2009, just before Obama actually took Office and compare the economy at that point to the economy we have now and the picture becomes more clear. When Obma took office we hd lost over 4 million jobs, unemployment topped out over 10%, Welfare had exploded as people lost their homes and their life savings, the Government had just issued over 700 billion in TARP money.... and we were staring at a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit at the end of the fiscal year. I'm pretty sure the economy was "Ruined" before Obama took office.

He has plenty of Ideas, but he's facing a republican controlled House that refuses to work with him to advance his legislation . The Previous Administration passed two stimulus bills and no one said a word. So tell me, If the economy before Obama was doing so great why did Bush find it necessary to pass two stimulus bills?.... And Obama isn't the only one who believes raising taxes on the rich is a good thing... Bill Clinton did it and look where that took us....

This one is misleading. You fail to admit that at the peak of the Bush fiscal year Unemployment was over 10%. You fail to acknowledge the fact that there have been 28 straight months of positive jobs growth. You keep all the bad and toss all the good out as you continue paining your false picture.


Again you attempt to stick all this on Obama and leave out the Previous data, it's much easier to ignore the truth though when you're painting a picture of Evil Obama....

here's the truth...

The economic downturn began in December 2007. In the 12 months before Obama was sworn in, 4.4 million were added to the rolls, triple the 1.4 million added in 2007.

Fact check: Gingrich's faulty food-stamp claim ? USATODAY.com


Not true

Non Farm Payrolls in the United States was last reported at 163.000 in July of 2012 by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Historically, from 1939 until 2012, the United States Non Farm Payrolls averaged 117.1

United States Non Farm Payrolls


Also not true. President Obama had a Super Majority for all of about 4 months.. He didn't have that much power for his first two years as those on the right like to claim. They passed his first budget through both houses, the budget was stalled in Appropriations by the Democrats who got into a fight about certain parts of it. It was never signed into Law but it did get passed.
Since then the Republicans have blocked or Filibustered anything he sends them.

If you want to try and prove we had a Super Majority to just " Pass anything he wanted" you're free to try. and let's not forget.. Obamacare was passed by way of Reconciliation , a Super majority would have made that move unnecessary.


Man you are still just painting away but leaving out facts and truth. You fail to mention the fact that Obamacare is deficit Neutral, meaning it's paid for. And then making the claim that it has " screwed up our Medical system" is kind of baseless considering the bulk of the program has not gone into effect. How you can claim something when it's not even there is beyond me. The parts that have gone into effect are helping more people, saving people more money, and since the SCOTUS has now made it legal the program is actully gaining popularity in the general public.


Baseless lies. No one has proven this . In fact the biggest part of the stimulus bill ws tax cuts for Middle class and lower class people. Part of the Stimulus was the expansion of Welfare to allow unemployed people to get help. Those new regulations expired in 2010, but that's not the point. The stimulus didn't go to "His Buddies"... and you have no facts to support that.


yeah again no details. can you name all these Projects that have failed? I can imagine that you will immediately scream Solyndra at the top of your lungs but you should know Solyndra put in for their big cut of the pie way back in 2005 when Bush was in Office. They only got approved for a loan that Bush initiated and Obama suddenly gets to take credit for it. I'm not saying Obama wasn't at fault.. Only that the loan wasn't his Idea so calling it HIS project is a bit of a reach. The Green Energy projects have failed because we allowed China to get out too far ahead of us on Solar Panels. There were plenty of Bush Projects that failed too.. I'm sure Clinton and Bush 1 had a few failures. You guys holding Obama to a higher standard are really funny .


More left out facts. So far there is no depth to your painting.

The Governor of Nebraska and the Environmentalists did not want the pipeline over their water source. Obama said they were looking for an alternative route. He was being pressured by Congress, so he said no... but he did not shut it down. Parts of the pipeline are being built now.


Offshore drilling for oil and natural gas near the coasts of the United States was banned by Congress in 1981 after outcries caused by pollution from accidents and spills. In 1990, President George H. W. Bush issued executive orders supporting the ban, orders rescinded by his son, President George W. Bush

News at 11..

Offshore Drilling and Exploration News - The New York Times




I would say now that we have added a bit of depth to your painting of Obama he doesn't seem so bad. I seem to remember a Compromise on his part, back when Congress caused our credit rating to be downgraded. Obama put a deal on the table that included everything all republicans dream of.. but wait.. Republicans walked away from the table.

It won't " sink into my head" because I see the reality. I see a Republican party protecting rich wall street fat cats and pushing a draconian social agenda. I hear Republicans talking about jobs, jobs , jobs, but their legislative agenda doesn't seem to include jobs. They are attacking Women, Abortions, Gays, Muslims, and trying to pass laws to remove peoples rights. But they are not doing anything to improve the economy, nope, they just keep smacking Obama in hopes that they can take over control, then you'll see your revolution.

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[quote=Xcali;471918]First of all this entire statement is nothing more than buzz phrases , designed to paint the picture that you personally want everyone to see. If you supposedly " backed " any of this up you did so by using right wing blog and news articles that had little graphs designed by right wing pundits to paint the picture of Obama as the worst possible president ever. The statement lacks details and nuance. But I'm game, I'll take it line by line and add a little insight so everyone knows at least some facts....



I used Department of Labor statistics direct from their web-site. Don't get mad at me because you can't read a graph or a table.

Starting it all off with a little insult usually puts the opponent on the defensive. It's helpful if you want a real debate to limit the personal attacks. I'm not a politician by trade so I'm less inclined to be " politically Correct"... and will normally reply in kind , but I'll bite my tongue on this one.

A direct result of my frustration trying to deal with someone who doesn't know basic math. I can't explain something to you if you don't understand the first thing about it.

This one is a very broad buzz phrase and not based on the reality of the situation. Go back to Jan 18th 2009, just before Obama actually took Office and compare the economy at that point to the economy we have now and the picture becomes more clear. When Obma took office we hd lost over 4 million jobs, unemployment topped out over 10%, Welfare had exploded as people lost their homes and their life savings, the Government had just issued over 700 billion in TARP money.... and we were staring at a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit at the end of the fiscal year. I'm pretty sure the economy was "Ruined" before Obama took office.

And the problem is that Obama hasn't done one thing to help it. He has made it worse and added more national debt in 4 years than all the other presidents combined. He is the worst disaster this country has ever experienced.

He has plenty of Ideas, but he's facing a republican controlled House that refuses to work with him to advance his legislation . The Previous Administration passed two stimulus bills and no one said a word. So tell me, If the economy before Obama was doing so great why did Bush find it necessary to pass two stimulus bills?.... And Obama isn't the only one who believes raising taxes on the rich is a good thing... Bill Clinton did it and look where that took us....

This is just so much baloney. We aren't talking about Bush. We are talking about Obama. Bill Clinton didn't raise taxes until near the end of his second term. By the time they took effect GW was in office and we were experiencing a small recession.

This one is misleading. You fail to admit that at the peak of the Bush fiscal year Unemployment was over 10%. You fail to acknowledge the fact that there have been 28 straight months of positive jobs growth. You keep all the bad and toss all the good out as you continue paining your false picture.

It hasn't been positive job growth. There are less people working now than when Obama took office. Why is unemployment at 8.3% now and has been over 8% the whole time Obama has been in office. If we had positive job growth, why didn't that go down?


Again you attempt to stick all this on Obama and leave out the Previous data, it's much easier to ignore the truth though when you're painting a picture of Evil Obama....

here's the truth...

The economic downturn began in December 2007. In the 12 months before Obama was sworn in, 4.4 million were added to the rolls, triple the 1.4 million added in 2007.

Fact check: Gingrich's faulty food-stamp claim ? USATODAY.com

From Your article:

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But Gingrich goes too far to say Obama has put more on the rolls than other presidents. We asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that. And under Obama, the increase so far has been 14.2 million. To be exact, the program has so far grown by 444,574 fewer recipients during Obama's time in office than during Bush's.

So in other words, Bush added 14.7 million to the food stamp rolls in 8years and Obama added 14.2 million in less than 4 years. That must mean that if Obama gets another 4 years like Bush had, we will have around 29 million added to the food stamp rolls by Obama.


Not true

Non Farm Payrolls in the United States was last reported at 163.000 in July of 2012 by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Historically, from 1939 until 2012, the United States Non Farm Payrolls averaged 117.1

United States Non Farm Payrolls

Xcali, you can't be this dense. You are taking an average of all payrolls from 1939 until 2012. The only numbers that matter are the numbers during the Obama Administration from 2008 thoroug 2012. It's obvious you will never be able to understand this and I don't know why you keep arguing about something you can't comprehend.


Also not true. President Obama had a Super Majority for all of about 4 months.. He didn't have that much power for his first two years as those on the right like to claim. They passed his first budget through both houses, the budget was stalled in Appropriations by the Democrats who got into a fight about certain parts of it. It was never signed into Law but it did get passed.
Since then the Republicans have blocked or Filibustered anything he sends them.

Obama had a super majority until after the 2010 elections. If he had one at all, how would it change other than through an election? It is really hard trying to argue facts with someone who refuses to confirm his statements and ignores any and all proof of the other sides argument.

If you want to try and prove we had a Super Majority to just " Pass anything he wanted" you're free to try. and let's not forget.. Obamacare was passed by way of Reconciliation , a Super majority would have made that move unnecessary.

Obamacare passed the house by a vote of 219 to 212 with no Republican and 34 Democrats voting against it. This is the Reconciliation you are talking about. It wouldn't have been necessary if the 34 Democrats who voted against it had voted in it's favor. It passed the Senate by a 60 - 39 vote with all Democrats and 2 Independants voting in favor of it. This was in March of 2010. The Democrats had 253 seats in the House. They had 58 seats in the Senate and 2 Independants who voted Democrat the vast majority of the time. They kept these majorities until after the 2010 elections. So you are wrong. They didn't have these majorities for 4 months, they had them for 2 years.


Man you are still just painting away but leaving out facts and truth. You fail to mention the fact that Obamacare is deficit Neutral, meaning it's paid for. And then making the claim that it has " screwed up our Medical system" is kind of baseless considering the bulk of the program has not gone into effect. How you can claim something when it's not even there is beyond me. The parts that have gone into effect are helping more people, saving people more money, and since the SCOTUS has now made it legal the program is actully gaining popularity in the general public.

So prove to me it is deficit neutral. I've shown you how the CBO has scored it. Prove to me that they are wrong.


Baseless lies. No one has proven this . In fact the biggest part of the stimulus bill ws tax cuts for Middle class and lower class people. Part of the Stimulus was the expansion of Welfare to allow unemployed people to get help. Those new regulations expired in 2010, but that's not the point. The stimulus didn't go to "His Buddies"... and you have no facts to support that.

Apparently you never read the web, watch TV or listen to a newscast. These stories are everywhere about Obama taking care of his buddies. I would put some on here, but you refuse to acknowledge any time I prove you wrong. It's like arguing with a 2 year old.

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The post was too long so I had to do it in 2 parts:

yeah again no details. can you name all these Projects that have failed? I can imagine that you will immediately scream Solyndra at the top of your lungs but you should know Solyndra put in for their big cut of the pie way back in 2005 when Bush was in Office. They only got approved for a loan that Bush initiated and Obama suddenly gets to take credit for it. I'm not saying Obama wasn't at fault.. Only that the loan wasn't his Idea so calling it HIS project is a bit of a reach. The Green Energy projects have failed because we allowed China to get out too far ahead of us on Solar Panels. There were plenty of Bush Projects that failed too.. I'm sure Clinton and Bush 1 had a few failures. You guys holding Obama to a higher standard are really funny .

As usual, blame it on Bush. BUSH WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SOLYNDRA. IT WAS APPROVED AND FUNDED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Failed green companies under Obama:
Solyndra, Lightsource, Tennessee truck charging station, Tonopah, Navy paying $15 a gallon for jet fuel, Beacon Power Corp., Enerdel lithium batteries, Abound Solar. Is this enough?


More left out facts. So far there is no depth to your painting.

The Governor of Nebraska and the Environmentalists did not want the pipeline over their water source. Obama said they were looking for an alternative route. He was being pressured by Congress, so he said no... but he did not shut it down. Parts of the pipeline are being built now.


If this is true, why are the Chinese in negotiations with Canada right now for this oil? BTW, Nebraska approved an alternate route months ago.

Offshore drilling for oil and natural gas near the coasts of the United States was banned by Congress in 1981 after outcries caused by pollution from accidents and spills. In 1990, President George H. W. Bush issued executive orders supporting the ban, orders rescinded by his son, President George W. Bush

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Offshore Drilling and Exploration News - The New York Times

You must be living in a cave. You don't recall Obama shutting down all drilling in the Gulf of Mexico after the oil spill? There are over 3,000 wells in the Gulf right now. How do you explain that away?




I would say now that we have added a bit of depth to your painting of Obama he doesn't seem so bad. I seem to remember a Compromise on his part, back when Congress caused our credit rating to be downgraded. Obama put a deal on the table that included everything all republicans dream of.. but wait.. Republicans walked away from the table.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You can't make a deal with a credit agency. They can't be bought like an Obama supporter.

It won't " sink into my head" because I see the reality. I see a Republican party protecting rich wall street fat cats and pushing a draconian social agenda. I hear Republicans talking about jobs, jobs , jobs, but their legislative agenda doesn't seem to include jobs. They are attacking Women, Abortions, Gays, Muslims, and trying to pass laws to remove peoples rights. But they are not doing anything to improve the economy, nope, they just keep smacking Obama in hopes that they can take over control, then you'll see your revolution.[/QUOTE]

Yeah right. We are only concerned with the rich even though we aren't rich ourselves. Did you ever think that maybe we aren't envious like the Democrats and think everyone should be treated fairly including minorities, women, rich, poor. We don't believe in class warfare and refuse to use it in a re-election bid like Obama is doing and we are for less government. And we don't need to smack Obama. People can see him for the fake he is and are now understanding just how inept he is.

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I am very happy for you,truly I am,obviously you believe in rewarding Ryan for his support of the auto loans and bank bailouts with your vote because he's seen the light thanks to needing that tea party support! I guess what was done in the past really doesn't matter "today"..Like Romney,Ryan has reinvented himself in the nick of time and has achieved your support.Romney was sharp to put Ryan on the ticket because Ryan is now posing as a fiscal conservative. Both Romney and Ryan understand how to play the game and reinvent themselves as needed. The R's continue to rail about the above loans but the old Ryan gets a free pass. That to me is remarkable and revealing. Also...I love how people oppose healthcare mandates on the national level but support HC mandates at the local level as if they are not a mandate at the local level. Well..at least Romney supporters agree with mandated health care at "some" level...good for them.

I may not agree with your assessment of reality and system of rewarding them for the auto and bank loans and health care mandates but sometimes,people just see things differently as the election draws near. For all too many,it's not how the game and doublespeak is played,it's about winning an election by supporting candidates that deep down inside you disagree with. How odd.....I guess I just can't relate to partisan "Team Spirit" never being a sports fan and all..

I prefer "as they say" to waste my vote on someone else for neither Obama or Romney deserve my vote. Others will have to do that and may the best scam win..

Dude I'm not the one who's mad. Life is too short to get mad over something as petty as politics. You simply read the chart wrong, or made a typo, much in the same way I did. The difference is you seem to be unable to simply admit it.

adding insult to insult... How cute....

Again with the baseless, blatant lie that you cannot back up with fact. Obama with all his so called spending has added about 4 trillion to the debt... That's a far cry from being more than all the others combined. Reagan and Bush 1 quadrupled the national debt.. Clinton paid it down to about 5 trillion .. Bush 2 more than doubled that... Leaving close to 12 trillion in debt .. Obama has taken it to 16 while running under a Bush budget... So wherever you got your numbers... Well let's just say I wouldn't trust that source.

Or is that just another buzz phrase you learned from watching barney.

Clinton raised taxes in 1993, one year after coming into office. It was those tax cuts and cuts in Defense spending that actually led to the balanced budgets... Go check it out... you'll be surprised to know it's true.

28 straight months up positive jobs numbers, unemployment has gone from a high of 10.3% down to 8.2 %... I would say that's positive growth unless you are using Republican math.

Yep. and yet you still don't get the point. Tell me.. You're the President of the U.S. and you have 30 million people who now have no income. Do you spend money from the Treasury to assure these people don't starve or do you tell them " Sorry, we stuck you in this position but we can't help you now, you're on you're own"... Bush and Obama both deserve a standing ovation for doing what was right. The economy is in the tank, people all over the country are hurting. I don't care if They spend another 500 billion or even more on Welfare as long as it's helping those in need. When Obama is actually able to put his policy in place and the economy comes back, then we can deal with the debt and roll back the cost of Welfare.

Why does Obama start in 2008 when he didn't take office until Jan 2009? You're using the NFP and completely ignoring the real unemployment . I notice you didn't bother showing the chart on Public Sector Jobs, which are still being cut, and which also count towards unemployment. Non Farm Payroll is just a small slice of the unemployment pie... But I guess those numbers favor your view so you will use them instead.


Well evidently you have no working knowledge of how the Super Majority actually works but I'll forgive that.. especially since you didn't support your statement with anything other than basic Republican knowledge. See Republicans love to spout " Well Obama had the Super Majority, why didn't he use it"... But they leave out all the details. Details such as.. Senator Al Franken Didn't win his seat in Nov. His race was contested and ended up going to court. The new Senate was seated in Jan 2009.. Without Al Franken. He wasn't seated until July of 2009.. So your Super majority starts there. 6 weeks later Ted Kennedy Dies .. And one month later Paul Kirk is appointed to fill the seat until a special election can be held. In October 2009 Scott Brown wins the seat.

On December 24th 2009 Obamacare passes the Senate with a vote of 60 to 39,,, Then On February 4th 2010 Scott Brown is seated, officially ending the Democratic Super majority. Roughly 4 months is all the Democrats had.. so you can stop telling that lie now.



By the end of 2009, separate health care reform bills had been passed by both houses of Congress. The Senate bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, became the most viable avenue to reform following the death of Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy and his replacement by Republican Scott Brown. Lacking a filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate, the Obama administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began encouraging the House to pass an amended version of the Senate bill using the reconciliation process.

Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


$716 billion from Medicare savings over 10 years Plus $836.3 billion in Taxes from the 21 tax increases over ten years = 1.579 trillion .. More than enough to pay for the program and actually lower the deficit. The CBO is scoring the COST of Obamacare, not adding in the fact that the cost is paid for.


You said it, they are stories written specifically to spread right wing nonsense . I could tell you a story about how Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks but that doesn't make it true now does it.

PolitiFact | Did the program that funded the Solyndra loan start under George W. Bush? David Plouffe says so

Funny.. This WordPress blog also listed all those same conspiracy theories but left no facts to prove any of it.. Least I know where you get your nonsense from....

US Navy Paying $15/gallon for green fuel (Obama Crony Involved) Romanticpoet's Weblog

Canada isn't negotiating with the Chinese. That's another right wing talking point.. and a lie.

Keystone XL Pipeline Project

Yep, I specifically recall telling you that somewhere in this topic. He has since opened many of those back up, only leaving the eastern Gulf off limits to drilling. The point of my link was to show you the pettiness of the position. You right wingers are whining because he closed down a few oil rigs when Republicans in the past have done the same thing. Bush 2 opened them back up, Obama closed them again. It's not some Obama conspiracy, you'd think people would get a clue for once.


I was talking about the deal Obama made with the Republicans in Congress. He offered up 10 dollars in cuts ( even to Entitlements) for 1 dollar of revenues... and your boys walked away from the deal. Who is really worried about cutting spending?..

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