I honestly think there isn't a Republican conservative running, which is why I do raise objections. It would be one thing if it were, say John McCain, someone who conservatives think is a RINO, isn't with them 100%, or maybe even 75% or 70%.

Paul Ryan on the other hand, conveniently before Obama became president, was a lockstep, big government, career politician with an R at the end of his name, a complete 180 from what his rhetoric makes him out to be these days. He voted for the tax cuts, Patriot Act, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and all the supplemental funds, Medicare Part D, gay marriage amendments to the Constitution, anti-abortion legislation, No Child Left Behind, Dept. of Homeland Security, TARP, and Bush's auto loans and government stimuli; all of this, just spending, on top of spending, on top of spending, on top of unfunded programs, on top of unfunded tax cuts, on top government overreach. More votes for more government than what Obama has given you in his first term; and yes, you know we could go on.

The Congressman's voting record isn't just a bit off from what he's selling to you, it's a total antithesis, it's all one giant ruse. I see that, and I don't laugh, no schadenfreude, I just get disappointed: Just another politician selling you a bag of lies and this bag is a bigg'un, and he's really good at it too. This is beyond having a couple of disagreements.

Then we have Mitt Romney, whose record as Gov. of Massachusetts would have made him an also-ran in 2012 if we bothered to pay attention; a very left-wing Republican ideology in general, a spending growth rate faster than the one for the US under Obama, gun bans, a long run of tax and fee increases on nearly every single government service, and a job creation record that ranked 47 out of 50, which is pretty close to what Jennifer Granholm "accomplished" in Michigan.

Sorry if it's a bit rant-like, but this had to be said. To me, Romney-Ryan is just one big con, they have a record which is in some cases more left-wing and big government than how Obama is portrayed. I could be totally wrong of course, but this is what I view it as right now, a con job.

If Obama had a long, solid record of right-wing moralist votes, and tax cuts primarily for the top, and tried to run as a Democrat, should the liberal just ignore that because "Well, blah blah blah the other guy!"? No.

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"Bush tortured people, Obama just kills them."
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Well, maybe the fact that no one can tell you what he's done, were that true, would be a clue for you.

But obviously it isn't true, since people here with whom you debate have supplied hundreds if not thousands of pages worth or information about why he's a bad President these last three years.

As for Bush, I rate him as an average president on policy and administrative accomplishments, and a stellar leader in a time of crisis.

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"Sometimes, the source of the beautiful dawning light that drives back the darkness, is your house burning"

We're still America.. That should be self evident as to what President Obama has done. But you go on ignoring the reality.


So far no Republican has debated, all that seems to go on is insults, moving the goal posts, changing the topics of discussion, and ignoring reality. And still you can't explain just exactly what Obama did to Put the economy in this shape... You made the claim, why not back it up for once...

You afraid to get shown up ???

Yep, the worlds greatest leader.. sits in a second grade classroom for 17 full minutes while the twin towers are being bombed.. then decides it's time to go... And let's not forget New Orleans, 25 feet under Water and he doesn't even bother to show up for 5 days. His appointment of the Arabian Horse guy to be Head of FEMA was the most Brilliant move ever, or was it the lying he did to suck us into two wars we didn't need?

Please.. Bush was a Joke, as Willard is. Your rating of Bush doesn't matter.. He gets the Historical rating as the Second worst President in History.. only Hoover beat him for worst. Funny isn't it.. the last two businessmen who served as President ran the economy into the ground.. Hoover in the late 20's and Bush in 2008... and you want to elect another one..lmao

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As usual. I quote numbers and statistics that I have backed up numerous times and you dismiss them with a wave of your hand instead of giving us actual figures to refute my numbers and statistics, you expect everyone to just take your word for it. The majority of my facts come from government web-sites and are indisputable. How about discussing them and showing me where I am wrong? Sheesh, you can't even read a graph.

Aren't you getting tired of bringing Bush into every conversation about Obama's ineptitude? Can we leave him out of the discussion long enough to really debate what Obama has done? Bush has been out of office for 4 years. Grow up and become a man and admit Obama isn't perfect. Then pay attention to what he has done for the past 4 years and do an actual critique of his presidency without trying to justify his every move. You might be surprised at what you find.

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No, say what you will about Bush, but I would have done the same thing in his situation. I would have finished the story and not have scared/confused the bejeezus out of the little kids in the class.

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"Bush tortured people, Obama just kills them."
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That, my friend, is simply throwing away your vote, and actually will assist President Obama gain a second term. Any vote not going to Romney, whether it goes to the President or a third party candidate, aids in his re-election. If it is based on principle, fine, everyone is entitled to their principles, but myself, I am looking at the record, and Mr. Obama doesn't have an accomplishment record to match his rhetoric, and justify his policies for a second term. I find it odd and rather humorous that some posted in here that they didn't take Mr. Obama's promises in 2008 at his word because no politician delivers on their promises. Excuse me, check the Tea Party agenda, and the Republican oath not to raise taxes required of all House GOP members. They have stuck to that for the past two years.

America followed the HOPE OBAMA message of an inexperienced, freshman Senator from Illinois, who cut his political teeth in the Chicago housing suburbs, guiding Federal social programs of the Great Society, a disciple of Jesse Jackson, another Chicago politician and has proven totally unable to govern.

The Republican Party, which controls America's purse strings in the House will maintain the House in November, there are no major polls out there that reflect a Democratic victory over them, and if Obama is re-elected, we will have another four years of governing by Executive Order, since Mr. Obama hasn't even attempted to comply with the most basic function of the Executive Branch of our government, sending a budget up to Congress.

The only budget on file is the Republican one, and Paul Ryan has adopted one which puts America back on the right fiscal track. Mr. Romney knew exactly what he was doing when he made him the VP choice - turned the former Politics of Hope - now desperation and accusation, by the President, into the politics of America's fiscal future, and totally changed the direction of the campaign from Obama's deception and accusations into a forum he will have to answer up to regarding taxation, spending, jobs, housing, TARP bailouts, unemployment and medical benefits, all topics and ideas that Mr. Obama has failed miserably on these past four years.

If people didn't actually believe Mr. Obama was going to deliver on those promises, they wouldn't have sent a huge Democratic Congressional majority to Washington with him in 2008, which was tossed out for mega spending and running up deficits and national debt, two years later by the voters.

This time? I think America sees that Obama is incompetent, the Democrats can't be trusted with our future, and with the House of Representatives in Republican hands - they will vote in Mr. Romney and get the government moving again, ending four years of recession and non-performance inside the Potomac............

Not to mention it was not seventeen minutes. It was seven.

But I suppose lying is more important than being truthful.

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Anyone who would considers voting for Obama needs to see the "2016" movie. If that doesn't change their mind them are hopeless.

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Anyone who would considers voting for Bush needs to see the "Fahrenheit 9/11" movie. If that doesn't change their mind them are hopeless.



lolololol

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"Bush tortured people, Obama just kills them."
---Noam Chomsky

In all due respect, you know the Romney/Ryan record of changing policy on numerous occasions to catch the prevailing political winds. Ryan "was" a big spending government Republican until the tea party had enough of it. Why reward his big spending record by now giving him your vote? Ryan realized that he would have to move further to the right if he had any hope of achieving higher office. If you respect that,so be it but I find it despicable. As for Romney,he has flipped more often than a cook at I-Hop and you seem to want to support him as well. I respect your decision but voting for candidates who have no core beliefs seems risky to me.

It has been said.."An unprincipled vote is the only wasted vote. Voting for a third party, contrary to popular belief, is not a wasted vote" and I happen to agree.