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Old 08-09-2012, 09:34 AM
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Corporate raiders like Bain don't create jobs, they eliminate them. These bloodsuckers say that they are making the economy more productive by eliminating waste; but what they're really about is making a quick buck at the expense of everyone else. The robber barons of the past have nothing on their unbridled greed, which would make the most rapacious pirate blush for shame!
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:03 AM
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Mitt Romney recently made a speech criticizing President Obama for the government “bailout” of General Motors. He would have preferred to see GM fail; which would have precipitated the failure of hundreds of industry related manufacturing and supply businesses, and the loss of millions of jobs. That's what Mitt Romney would do. Does that make good economic sense? Does it make any sense at all?

It is within living memory that it was said: "What is good for General Motors is good for America." President Obama was right to intervene in the GM bankruptcy reorganization; he did it for the good of the country; he did it to save American jobs. It says a lot about his leadership priorities. Mitt Romney says that he "likes being able to fire people. . . ." What does that say about him? Surely, it does not speak well.
The OA didn't bailout GM, they nationalized it for the benefit of the UAW. One of their principal tools was structured bankruptcy. The same process Romney says they ought to have followed. The difference is that the OA corrupted the bankruptcy proceeding to their own ends, rewarding UAW cronies. Attempting to create a false dilemma of bailout or liquidation is partisan nonsense.

Where is the OA compassion for the thousands of workers that lost jobs in their GM nationalization? Where are the outraged cries against corporatism over the $50 billion looted from the public treasury?

Using the same standard as the ad how many deaths from loss of auto worker insurance did the OA cause as a result of the auto manufacturing nationalization?
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:11 AM
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That is not correct: it was a bankruptcy reorganization. The General Motors (GM) Chapter 11 case was filed at the height of the economic recession; and there were no banks or other commercial lenders that could provide the DIP (Debtor in Possession) financing necessary to continue business operations during the reorganization proceedings; and without the government assistance (and that of Canada as well) GM would have been DOA (dead on arrival) on the first day, forcing the liquidation of the company, and loss of thousands of jobs as happened in the Circuit City bankruptcy that cost over 35,000 jobs. The liquidation of GM would in turn precipitate the failure of hundreds of related industry manufacturers and suppliers resulting in a flood of business bankruptcy cases across the country, and loss of millions of jobs. And, as it turned out, the reorganization was a success; witness the profitability of the company today.
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Mitt Romney recently made a speech criticizing President Obama for the government “bailout” of General Motors. He would have preferred to see GM fail; which would have precipitated the failure of hundreds of industry related manufacturing and supply businesses, and the loss of millions of jobs. That's what Mitt Romney would do. Does that make good economic sense? Does it make any sense at all?

It is within living memory that it was said: "What is good for General Motors is good for America." President Obama was right to intervene in the GM bankruptcy reorganization; he did it for the good of the country; he did it to save American jobs. It says a lot about his leadership priorities. Mitt Romney says that he "likes being able to fire people. . . ." What does that say about him? Surely, it does not speak well.
That's something I agree with romney on. The government shouldn't be in the business of picking and choosing which companies will fail and which ones won't. They need to keep their goddamn nose out of that ****.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:37 AM
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That's something I agree with romney on. The government shouldn't be in the business of picking and choosing which companies will fail and which ones won't. They need to keep their goddamn nose out of that ****.
In a normal economy I don't think there would be a disagreement.
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The government certainly has a role in private enterprise. Likewise, the government is a party in interest in every bankruptcy proceeding as represented by the Office of the United States Trustee.
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To paraphrase another thread.....Lies, Damned Lies, and obama Lies.......

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Oops? President Barack Obama's re-election campaign washed its hands Wednesday of an independent group's vicious (and misleading) ad effectively blaming Mitt Romney for the death of a laid-off steelworker's wife from cancer. Campaign officials flatly denied any knowledge of the facts in the case—but it turns out the widower told the same story on an Obama campaign conference call in mid-May.
Obama camp denies knowledge of cancer tale it told in May | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

I know, the buck never stops at obama's desk, he is not responsible for anything, if we give him a chance he will blow roses up every bodies arse.
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So a pro-Obama SuperPAC makes one of the most disgusting advertisements ever, and all you can do is point to Romney's aides and pundits...
That Obama ad is probably the most disgusting, lying, useless piece of videotape and trash, ever put up in American politics and just shows what type of integrity our President has. Everything put out by the Super PAC is approved in advance by the President (imagine, he claims he has no idea what kind of ads they are going to produce)? The longer they run it, the more people are going to turn against him for it. Mr. Obama knows he has nothing in his record that he can advance as accomplishment, so he will print lies and dirt non-stop on Mr. Romney to divert his total record of failing to accomplish anything in office the past four years. I have seen some nasty political fights over the years, and never seen anything like this totally false and gutter-type ad. Whatever "benefit of the doubt" I was willing to give President Obama on a second term died when I saw this advertisement. It should be pulled from the air immediately - and I e-mailed that to the White House......
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:40 AM
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The government certainly has a role in private enterprise. Likewise, the government is a party in interest in every bankruptcy proceeding as represented by the Office of the United States Trustee.
Only in oversight of the proceedings.

They have no business interfering with private enterprises as to failure or not. No company run the way the GM was would have survived, and they sure didn't intercede with the office supply place down the street that closed after 52 years in business.

He pandered to his cronies and shined his brass to cater to certain voters.
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First of all, government funding is nothing new; the Bush administration provided 17.3 billion in emergency loans to GM and Chrysler to assist in restructuring efforts, which were unsuccessful. You should also know that billions of dollars in government insured loans to business are wiped out in bankruptcy every year. In the GM case, the government was granted a priority lien for administrative expense (which security the government would not have but for the bankruptcy filing); and a major equity share in the reorganized debtor. Secondly, in almost every reorganization proceeding, the interests of equity security holders are either subordinated or extinguished (viz. equitable interests do not have priority over legal interests of creditors). The bankruptcy laws operate to balance the interests of debtors, creditors, equity holders, unions, government units and other parties in interest.

The GM reorganization, which was one of the biggest bankruptcy cases in our history, was a huge success. Alternatively, letting GM fail would have been a catastrophic loss with consequential damage to the economy, and at the worst possible time. It was just not an option.
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