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You are saying deregulation caused this and I am saying it was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who caused this economic meltdown.
And just how would that have even been possible if both Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were in the Minority in Congress and could not have influenced anything . I've heard this lie told so many times it's sickening... Frank and Dodd didn't gain any kind of power to influence the banks until 2007 when the housing bubble was already about to burst.

Fannie and Freddie actually were not the main cause behind the bubble anyway. Thy didn't even get into the sub prime lending until much later. According to a study done by the Federal Reserve 84 percent of the sub-prime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lenders.

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Where were Barney Frank & Chris Dodd doing While the Bush Administration Tried to Get Mortgage Reform?

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Barney Frank - 2005

Barney Frank, 2005: What Housing Bubble? - YouTube

Where were Barney Frank & Chris Dodd doing While the Bush Administration Tried to Get Mortgage Reform?

Where were Barney Frank & Chris Dodd While the Bush Administration Tried to Get Mortgage Reform? - YouTube
Geez you are like a doll who repeats the same stuff everytime we pull your string. Frank Dodd did not cause the financial collapse.
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Geez you are like a doll who repeats the same stuff everytime we pull your string. Frank Dodd did not cause the financial collapse.
Not by himself, he didn't, but he sure did help it on it's way. He and Dodd both insisted on making loans to unqualified people to get them into homes and that started the whole ball rolling. Without those loans, none of this could have happened.
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In his opening statement before the Financial Institutions Subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, FDIC Director last May, Thomas M. Hoenig recommended that the bankruptcy law be amended to change the automatic stay exemption for mortgage-related repurchase agreements. See FDIC News Events at:
FDIC: Speeches & Testimony - 5/09/2012

That’s not enough. All the “safe harbor” provisions for financial derivative contracts in the Bankruptcy Code should be repealed. I would add to the list the like provisions that immunize leveraged buyouts - the “Mitt Romney Special” - as these transactions have a high potential for fraud and abuse and consequential damage to the economy.
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In his opening statement before the Financial Institutions Subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, FDIC Director last May, Thomas M. Hoenig recommended that the bankruptcy law be amended to change the automatic stay exemption for mortgage-related repurchase agreements. See FDIC News Events at:
FDIC: Speeches & Testimony - 5/09/2012

That’s not enough. All the “safe harbor” provisions for financial derivative contracts in the Bankruptcy Code should be repealed. I would add to the list the like provisions that immunize leveraged buyouts - the “Mitt Romney Special” - as these transactions have a high potential for fraud and abuse and consequential damage to the economy.
Could be. The fact still remains that if Frank and Dodd hadn't pushed the banks into giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, the banks wouldn't have been able to bundle bad loans with good ones and sell them as legitimate loans. This created the "housing bubble" and lead to the collapse of the housing market.

The other thing we need to do is to take back the provision instituted by the OA that allows people to walk away from a house loan with no penalties. Many people who were upside down, but could still afford payments walked away from their properties because the lenders couldn't come after them personally. This really exacerbated the foreclosure problem.
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That is not correct. No one "pushed" the banks into making any loans. It was the banks that lobbied Congress to repeal the provisions of Glass-Steagall and for the bankruptcy exemption. See Post# 34, supra.

As for borrowers walking away from their mortgages, that depends on wheather the loans were subject to anti-deficiency statutes under state law. There are several states that provide protection from deficiency liability for "purchase-money" loans secured by residential real property; however even in these "non-recourse" states, the protection does not apply to investment property, refinanced obligations, or nonpurchase-money loans (e.g., home equity lines). Congress did step in to provide some relief from the tax consequences by enacting the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007 to ameliorate the tax consequences for cancellation of debt income on foreclosure sales; however the provisions are limited and due to expire at the end of this year. For most people, there is deficiency liability for which their only recourse is bankruptcy.
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I'm in the property rental biz and I can't tell you how many of my renters said that they know how to play "The Game". They told me that they knew they were going into foreclosure so they withheld payment during their last 5 months in their homes. That's how they were able to pay me the $2,350 rent and deposit when they moved in. When I told them that they were being dishonest with their lender,they laughed out loud! They said that they offered to pay the lender partial payments and the lender refused partial payments so they paid them nothing for months on end...

In my view,lenders should accept partial payments when someone is having a rough time but many refuse to do so..

Something needs to change..
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Many get their rental deposits from their lenders, who “bribe” them to move rather than pay an attorney to have them legally evicted.
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That is not correct. No one "pushed" the banks into making any loans. It was the banks that lobbied Congress to repeal the provisions of Glass-Steagall and for the bankruptcy exemption. See Post# 34, supra.

As for borrowers walking away from their mortgages, that depends on wheather the loans were subject to anti-deficiency statutes under state law. There are several states that provide protection from deficiency liability for "purchase-money" loans secured by residential real property; however even in these "non-recourse" states, the protection does not apply to investment property, refinanced obligations, or nonpurchase-money loans (e.g., home equity lines). Congress did step in to provide some relief from the tax consequences by enacting the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007 to ameliorate the tax consequences for cancellation of debt income on foreclosure sales; however the provisions are limited and due to expire at the end of this year. For most people, there is deficiency liability for which their only recourse is bankruptcy.
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The real story started years ago. In 1977, Jimmy Carter signed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) into law. But this law had no teeth, no way to require lenders to lower their standards and to make subprime loans. Enter Bill Clinton. In 1994, President Clinton directed 10 agencies to issue an ultimatum to banks and mortgage lenders to ease credit for lower-income minorities or face investigations for lending discrimination and suffer the related adverse publicity. This ultimatum was signed by HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, Attorney General Janet Reno, Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, along with the heads of six other agencies. Mr. Clinton also ordered Fannie and Freddie to buy these mortgages from the banks.

The ultimatum was then codified into a 20-page "Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending" and entered into the Federal Register on April 15, 1994. You can Google this if you're interested in reading it. Among other things, the policy says "HUD is authorized to direct Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to undertake various remedial actions, including suspension, probation, reprimand or settlement, against lenders found to have engaged in discriminatory lending practices" and "Applying different lending standards to applicants who are members of a protected class is permissible" and "in addition, providing different treatment to applicants to address past discrimination would be permissible."

To make sure banks complied, the policy was (and still is) enforced by bank auditors who kept close tabs on how many subprime loans banks were making and constantly threatened them if they weren't making enough. The policy and the enforcement was meant to intimidate lenders to make the very subprime loans they had previously refused to make. The American Bankers Association issued a "fair lending tool kit" to its members. Today, banks have employees whose job titles are "Community Reinvestment Act Analyst" and whose job is to ensure that the banks are in compliance with the CRA. The Obama administration is being even more aggressive in enforcing compliance.

When George W. Bush took office, members of his administration and GOP members of Congress continually tried to get the Democratic members of Congress to order Fannie and Freddie to cut back on their subprime portfolio, but the response was that the GOP was trying to fix something that wasn't broken. For a full story on this issue and the names of all the members of Congress who refused to act, see "Why the Mortgage Crisis Happened" at American Thinker.com.

As soon as the financial crisis occurred, the politicians largely responsible for it, (Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Harry Reid, etc.) started blaming George Bush, banks and Wall Street, seeking to deflect blame from themselves. Since they receive a lot of media attention, they have been able to sell this line to the public. This is not to say that Mr. Bush, banks and Wall Street should not share any of the blame, but if you want to point a finger at those most responsible, point it at Bill Clinton and the Democrat members of Congress. Today, Barack Obama is continuing the same policy.
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