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Old 07-17-2012, 08:04 PM
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I was thinking today as I was driving home from the Doctors office about the upcoming election and wondered .. " Does this Election really matter?"...

The Democrats in the Senate won't pass a Budget because they know the Republicans will never agree and they don't want the "Other Side" to use a Budget to beat them over the head because it will obviously include new spending. The Republicans aren't in a position to pass a budget and they will never agree to anything as long as Obama sits in the Big Chair.

We also know that because of the numbers it will be impossible for either side to gain a super Majority in the Senate so the Filibuster will once again become the Thorn in the side of any recovery. There's a few Scenarios to consider...

1: Obama Wins and the House Flips to the Democrats and the Senate goes Republican 51-49

Under this model we would have the house passing countless new bills spending more money only to be put on a shelf once it hits the Senate floor. Nothing gets done for another 4 years....

2: Willard wins and the House and Senate both go to Republicans.

Under this Model the Democrats would abuse the Filibuster in much the same way that the Republicans are doing now. Willard will try but the Democrats will not work with him so he could possibly be the first president in history to go a full term and never sign any legislation into Law. a 4 year Lame Duck...

3: Obama wins and the Congress goes Republican ( or Obama wins and the Congress goes Democrat.

Either way we still have gridlock for 4 years. The Filibuster becomes the strongest tool in Government.

So, Either way we go we will end up with at least one Stop Gap to any Legislation that might come up. The fact that the Republicans Filibustered Two bills this past week that would have helped create jobs and helped the economy only solidifies the fact that the partisan divide is too wide to overcome in today's political climate. Even if a Libertarian or another Party were to step up and win this thing it looks like we as Citizens are looking down the barrel of another 4 years of creeping death as we watch the remainder of the Middle class dissolve back into the bottom.

So does it really Matter who wins? If the results are ultimately going to be the same wouldn't it be easier to just flip a coin and get it over-with?..
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:48 AM
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If you think it doesn't matter remember when Bush Sr got elected and when Jr got elected...
Get on Facebook and Twitter and do your local getting people to the polls or man the phones and remind folks to vote Democrat for congress and to come back in two years and do the same thing. Then maybe we will be on the way to a little progress in this country.
I can't drive anymore, but I can go to a website and get that list of likely Democrat voters and read the script and dial another number.
They make it easy for you on the President's site. You have to check what your congressmen are doing on theirs.
My stupid Democratic challenger dropped out like day before yesterday. So there's no opponent for the Republican. Some damaging info was leaked...etc.
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I was thinking today as I was driving home from the Doctors office about the upcoming election and wondered .. " Does this Election really matter?"...

The Democrats in the Senate won't pass a Budget because they know the Republicans will never agree and they don't want the "Other Side" to use a Budget to beat them over the head because it will obviously include new spending. The Republicans aren't in a position to pass a budget and they will never agree to anything as long as Obama sits in the Big Chair.

We also know that because of the numbers it will be impossible for either side to gain a super Majority in the Senate so the Filibuster will once again become the Thorn in the side of any recovery. There's a few Scenarios to consider...

1: Obama Wins and the House Flips to the Democrats and the Senate goes Republican 51-49

Under this model we would have the house passing countless new bills spending more money only to be put on a shelf once it hits the Senate floor. Nothing gets done for another 4 years....

2: Willard wins and the House and Senate both go to Republicans.

Under this Model the Democrats would abuse the Filibuster in much the same way that the Republicans are doing now. Willard will try but the Democrats will not work with him so he could possibly be the first president in history to go a full term and never sign any legislation into Law. a 4 year Lame Duck...

3: Obama wins and the Congress goes Republican ( or Obama wins and the Congress goes Democrat.

Either way we still have gridlock for 4 years. The Filibuster becomes the strongest tool in Government.

So, Either way we go we will end up with at least one Stop Gap to any Legislation that might come up. The fact that the Republicans Filibustered Two bills this past week that would have helped create jobs and helped the economy only solidifies the fact that the partisan divide is too wide to overcome in today's political climate. Even if a Libertarian or another Party were to step up and win this thing it looks like we as Citizens are looking down the barrel of another 4 years of creeping death as we watch the remainder of the Middle class dissolve back into the bottom.

So does it really Matter who wins? If the results are ultimately going to be the same wouldn't it be easier to just flip a coin and get it over-with?..
No, it doesn't matter at all. Especially if you still believe, in utter defiance of history, the Obama Stimulus record, common sense and your own eyes that some silly government "jobs program is going to accomplish some positive result.

Your time would be much better spent acquiring knowledge than in engaging in political endeavors where ignorance is so terribly destructive.

This is the same advice I give all Democrats.
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I was thinking today as I was driving home from the Doctors office about the upcoming election and wondered .. " Does this Election really matter?"...

The Democrats in the Senate won't pass a Budget because they know the Republicans will never agree and they don't want the "Other Side" to use a Budget to beat them over the head because it will obviously include new spending. The Republicans aren't in a position to pass a budget and they will never agree to anything as long as Obama sits in the Big Chair.

We also know that because of the numbers it will be impossible for either side to gain a super Majority in the Senate so the Filibuster will once again become the Thorn in the side of any recovery. There's a few Scenarios to consider...

1: Obama Wins and the House Flips to the Democrats and the Senate goes Republican 51-49

Under this model we would have the house passing countless new bills spending more money only to be put on a shelf once it hits the Senate floor. Nothing gets done for another 4 years....

2: Willard wins and the House and Senate both go to Republicans.

Under this Model the Democrats would abuse the Filibuster in much the same way that the Republicans are doing now. Willard will try but the Democrats will not work with him so he could possibly be the first president in history to go a full term and never sign any legislation into Law. a 4 year Lame Duck...

3: Obama wins and the Congress goes Republican ( or Obama wins and the Congress goes Democrat.

Either way we still have gridlock for 4 years. The Filibuster becomes the strongest tool in Government.

So, Either way we go we will end up with at least one Stop Gap to any Legislation that might come up. The fact that the Republicans Filibustered Two bills this past week that would have helped create jobs and helped the economy only solidifies the fact that the partisan divide is too wide to overcome in today's political climate. Even if a Libertarian or another Party were to step up and win this thing it looks like we as Citizens are looking down the barrel of another 4 years of creeping death as we watch the remainder of the Middle class dissolve back into the bottom.

So does it really Matter who wins? If the results are ultimately going to be the same wouldn't it be easier to just flip a coin and get it over-with?..

It matters in light of the fact that the next president will probably have the responsibility of appointing several more supreme court judges.
Since SC judges are appointed for life, this will have a major impact on socio-political issues for decades to come.
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It matters in light of the fact that the next president will probably have the responsibility of appointing several more supreme court judges.
Since SC judges are appointed for life, this will have a major impact on socio-political issues for decades to come.
Good point. The Justices do matter, although the Conservatives will most likely still have a Majority in the supreme court. The only two Justices that are possibly going to need replacing are Democrat appointees.. So the Majority will still be against us.
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No, it doesn't matter at all. Especially if you still believe, in utter defiance of history, the Obama Stimulus record, common sense and your own eyes that some silly government "jobs program is going to accomplish some positive result.

Your time would be much better spent acquiring knowledge than in engaging in political endeavors where ignorance is so terribly destructive.

This is the same advice I give all Democrats.
If there was any indication that they would actually pass a jobs plan it would be different. History DOES prove Obama correct, going all the way back to FDR. Investment in infrastructure is what is needed now to assure long term growth. Unlike my republican counterparts who keep their heads buried in the sand expecting the economy to just recover all on it's own I have seen with my own eyes that Big Jobs plans work. The only problem we have now is the gridlock, and I asked if it mattered because I don't see any jobs plan getting passed in the next four years...

I appreciate the " Advice" but it would help if you actually had some GOOD advice, instead of more insults on Liberals. When the evidence is contrary to the advice it creates more confusion.
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If you think it doesn't matter remember when Bush Sr got elected and when Jr got elected...
Get on Facebook and Twitter and do your local getting people to the polls or man the phones and remind folks to vote Democrat for congress and to come back in two years and do the same thing. Then maybe we will be on the way to a little progress in this country.
I can't drive anymore, but I can go to a website and get that list of likely Democrat voters and read the script and dial another number.
They make it easy for you on the President's site. You have to check what your congressmen are doing on theirs.
My stupid Democratic challenger dropped out like day before yesterday. So there's no opponent for the Republican. Some damaging info was leaked...etc.

My point is though that at this point in politics does it really matter? I know it matters to some who gets elected, but consider that it doesn't make any difference who wins the structure of Congress just doesn't allow for anything to get done. The Democrats can take over the House because every house seat is up for grabs. The Presidents seat will be filled by either Obama or Willard... That leaves the Senate. There aren't enough seats for either side to take a 60 seat Majority.. so the gridlock will end up in the Senate. Whichever party wins the Simply Majority will be Filibustered into submission. Maybe it will set up the Congress for another Wave election in 2016 or better yet in 2014 during the mid terms we could possibly see a new shift. But at a minimum that would only be 2 years of a term for either Obama or Willard to get anything done.
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My point is though that at this point in politics does it really matter? I know it matters to some who gets elected, but consider that it doesn't make any difference who wins the structure of Congress just doesn't allow for anything to get done. The Democrats can take over the House because every house seat is up for grabs. The Presidents seat will be filled by either Obama or Willard... That leaves the Senate. There aren't enough seats for either side to take a 60 seat Majority.. so the gridlock will end up in the Senate. Whichever party wins the Simply Majority will be Filibustered into submission. Maybe it will set up the Congress for another Wave election in 2016 or better yet in 2014 during the mid terms we could possibly see a new shift. But at a minimum that would only be 2 years of a term for either Obama or Willard to get anything done.
The assertion that nothing will get done without uniparty rule is an invalid one. The current situation where the two major parties share power unequally is hardly unusual. What is unusual, thankfully, is the rank incompetence of the President in dealing with a Congress his party doesn't completely control. Instead of negotiation the Community Organizer in Chief prefers issuing to do lists then complaining that his wish list is not fufilled from the campaign trail.
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The assertion that nothing will get done without uniparty rule is an invalid one. The current situation where the two major parties share power unequally is hardly unusual. What is unusual, thankfully, is the rank incompetence of the President in dealing with a Congress his party doesn't completely control. Instead of negotiation the Community Organizer in Chief prefers issuing to do lists then complaining that his wish list is not fufilled from the campaign trail.
No it's not an assertion it's a fact. You are like those Republicans I talk about with their heads buried in the sand and just flat out refuse to see the reality. It's easy to make the claim that it's all Obama's fault but then there is a little thing called evidence and that is something you don't have.

Fact 1:.. no Democrat could work with the current Congress because they are taking their marching orders from Grover Norquest and refuse to do anything. Congress is comfortable with a 10% approval rating because they know that the Rich fools will buy their way back into office. I never held Obama to a Wish list.. he did as much as he could do in face of extreme opposition. You people even go against your own Ideas and own policies if Obama does agree, so go try to tell your BullS*** to someone who might believe it.

The way I see it now nothing will get done, not under Obama, and specifically not under Willard.
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I think it's encouraging to Republicans that Democrats are getting discouraged, and slipping it into "It doesn't really matter" mode.

It matters to the increasingly enthusiastic Republicans who plan to win both houses and the presidential, then sign Keystone, create a thriving energy based economic movement, and disassemble the Prog mess that's been stifling the American economy for almost four years. Bye bye Obama care, of course.

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