Yup,I can't say Obama is the worst president in history but I do question some of his decisions and the people on his team. At this point in time, I plan to vote for Gary Johnson with no expectation that he will win. Am I wasting my vote? I don't think so,the unprincipled vote is the only wasted vote.

Indeed. Certainly not the worst president. Middle of the road to possibly slightly below average. I too have been disappointed in many of his cabinet selections, especially Holder.

Yes, Obama walked into a less than ideal situation, and in a more calm economic situation may have given him another chance. Unfortunately these are not those times and we need something better than status quo. I do not for a second believe Romney is that man, but refuse to reward Obama with another term.

Johnson will be receiving my vote in hopes of others will follow suit and send a message that we are not going to be a slave to the two-party system. This country needs more options. It only hurts the country by being limited to two options. As in the free market, products are of better quality and consumers benefits with more options. If only two companies made sodas, they would be expensive and of poor quality because there would be no reason for them to strive to be better. Same with politics. Only having Democrats and Republicans translates to having to settle for scraps. We need more choices and selections. That will benefit America as well as force the liberals and conservatives to step up there game and deliver us better quality.

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Funny thing about that is that Gary Johnson is a Republican. He only signed on as a Libertarian to get on the ticket. Even the most Libertarian of them, Ron Paul, Runs as a Republican because he knows the Futility of breaking up the two Party system.

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Gary Johnson is a Libertarian who has had to wear Republican clothing. That does not change his Libertarian values. When Johnson was the Governor of New Mexico, he governed from a Libertarian position.

The only futility in breaking the two party system is that people like yourself say it's futile and thus don't bother to try.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

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It's the fact that the Republican clothing fit him that concerns me. Either way he isn't being true to himself or his constituents if he's pandering to whatever he needs to do to get in. There's nothing wrong with losing if he does so while staying true to himself, but running as a republican only to Govern under a different flag is no better than lying to get elected.

When and if another third party comes along that aligns with my own basic views I might consider getting behind pushing for a third party but as it stands now I see Democrats against Republicans and Libertarians running as Republicans.. neither of which I would trust to run the country after the last Republican we had. The Futility of breaking the two party system comes because there is no Third party that is far enough removed from the republican party that enough voters are willing to get behind.

Well said Spencer.........

This was already addressed in post #14.......


~The only futility in breaking the two party system is that people like yourself say it's futile and thus don't bother to try.

Yeah I read it the first time, still doesn't mean it's right.

The problem with your analysis is a general lack of understanding of Mountain West politics. Generally speaking, Republicans in the Mountain West are Libertarian. Granted there will always be examples contrary to the trend.

National party platforms play to the states with the most electoral votes. The internal state politics is generally a bit different once you're outside of California, Texas, New York, etc...

Candidates like Gary Johnson are good for our discourse even if you view them as wolves in sheep's clothing. The fact of the matter is that people of Johnson's and Paul's ilk are looking to change the face of the national Republican party. Sadly, the Democrats generally don't have such candidates. Sure there are individuals within the Democratic party who have Libertarian values (again, generally from the Mountain West or Mid-West), but they aren't getting ANY traction within the machine.

The truth of the matter is that Libertarians like Johnson are the best shot we have at having an efficient, effective, and less oppressive national government.

I think the fundamental assertion that Libertarians SHOULD be "far enough removed" from Republicans is flawed. The truth of the matter is that roughly half the nation are Republicans and half the nation are Democrats. Libertarians are, in the view of many who take the time to study history and economics, the best blending of the two. Maximum individual freedom with responsible regulation and governance.

But considering the fact that our education system is failing to educate, I'm not shocked that we're locked in this either/or mindset.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

Ok, that's par......



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