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Old 07-06-2012, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Atheist Billboard Quoting John F. Kennedy Goes Up in Lubbock, Texas

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Actually They used the words of the most famoous of our founders to coin the term and also to apply it to Law..

In a Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut Thomas Jefferson Wrote...

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

The intent of the First amendment was very clear as to how religion should be treated in this country.
Oh I agree, the First Amendment is very clear in its intent, the Federal government shall not interfere with the free exercise of religion. The Founders were mindful of the COE being coopted by the monarchy for their political purposes.

Of course this did not support the freedom from religion crowd so it became necessary to claim some penumbral right visible only to the enlightened Leftists.
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:43 PM
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You've never read both Danbury letters (the letter from the Danbury Baptist Church and the letter to it) in thier entirety. If you have, then you're being intentionally disingenous. The letters are not about the Church's involvement in the gov't, but the gov't's involvement in the church. That "wall" that Jefferson refers to is not a wall around the gov't keeping the church out, but a wall around the church, keeping the gov't out. Read BOTH letters and put that one sentence in context and it becomes clear what I'm saying.
Do you people on the right even know how to comprehend what is written?

It doesn't matter what the intent of the letters were or who sent them or who read what into what... THE POINT WAS that the Supreme Court Used that specific Letter to apply the term " wall of Separation between church and state."...... The Supreme Court has ruled.. that's all that matters.
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Do you people on the right even know how to comprehend what is written?

It doesn't matter what the intent of the letters were or who sent them or who read what into what... THE POINT WAS that the Supreme Court Used that specific Letter to apply the term " wall of Separation between church and state."...... The Supreme Court has ruled.. that's all that matters.
Can you even read what is written in the Constitution? The SCOTUS has no authority to amend the Constitution including adding text from letters by Presidents. If you think it is in the document point out the passage.
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Thank you Xcali.

So, my original question to saltwn remains unanswered: "With which law made by Congress do you have an issue?"
Why do you assume I have an issue with law (except CU of course).
It is very important to vote for Democrats right now because they seems to be the only ones who understand the constitution.
If we had a stacked court a GOP presidency and both houses, we could wipe our windshields with what would be left of that valuable document.
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Oh I agree, the First Amendment is very clear in its intent, the Federal government shall not interfere with the free exercise of religion. The Founders were mindful of the COE being coopted by the monarchy for their political purposes.

Of course this did not support the freedom from religion crowd so it became necessary to claim some penumbral right visible only to the enlightened Leftists.
And those who read with comprehension.
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Default Re: Atheist Billboard Quoting John F. Kennedy Goes Up in Lubbock, Texas

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Can you even read what is written in the Constitution? The SCOTUS has no authority to amend the Constitution including adding text from letters by Presidents. If you think it is in the document point out the passage.
It's not in the constitution word for word, I never said it was. The SCOTUS can interpret the constitution and arrive at what they feel the intent of a certain Law will be, that is within their Power. They never changed the Constitution they only applied their interpretation to the First Amendment by using the Words of one of the Founders to back them up. Perfectly within the scope of what the SCOTUS is there to do. And the fact that more than one Supreme Court agrees pretty much makes this a dead issue as it is now ingrained in our culture therefore the Separation of Church and State as intended in the Constitution Stands.
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Why do you assume I have an issue with law (except CU of course).
It is very important to vote for Democrats right now because they seems to be the only ones who understand the constitution.
If we had a stacked court a GOP presidency and both houses, we could wipe our windshields with what would be left of that valuable document.
Maybe I am assuming incorrectly, but this was your earlier post:


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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


In o t h e r words...
you cannot make a law stating marriage is between a man and a woman.

The inference in the amendment is that government stays out of church matters and visa versa.
I assumed from this that you thought that congress was indeed interfering with the free exercise of religion. If that's not the case, then I stand corrected.
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