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Old 07-06-2012, 08:34 AM
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Wrongo! At least according the sane reading of the words. Each and every State was to be free to pass its own religious laws, as they were doing for decades after the First Amendment became law. And President was in absolutely no way bound.

Again, some silly person with nothing better to do and a black robe, made up the separation thing all by their lonesome. They should have been ignored as a lunatic.
Actually They used the words of the most famoous of our founders to coin the term and also to apply it to Law..

In a Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut Thomas Jefferson Wrote...

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

The intent of the First amendment was very clear as to how religion should be treated in this country.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:47 AM
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Actually They used the words of the most famoous of our founders to coin the term and also to apply it to Law..

In a Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut Thomas Jefferson Wrote...

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

The intent of the First amendment was very clear as to how religion should be treated in this country.
Yes. A letter, written by someone who did not in fact have much to do with the writing of the Constitution. How about we include Nixon's private letters in the canon of law?
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But whether I think it a good idea or not, that isn't what the First Amendment says. And it doesn't say it with great eloquence.
The first amendment simply requires that congress stay out of the religious affairs of the people of the several states. The first amendment ensures that the states may handle religion in whatever manner they see fit, without interference from the central government.

As many know, when the states established the constitution between themselves, several had official state religions. The inclusion of the 1st amendment kept the general government from interfering with this practice.
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Yes. A letter, written by someone who did not in fact have much to do with the writing of the Constitution. How about we include Nixon's private letters in the canon of law?
I didn't say that he did.. I said the Supreme Court used his Letter to come to their determination. In fact they did so more than once...

In Reynolds v. United States (1879) the Court wrote that Jefferson's comments "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.

68 years later a completely different Supreme Court did the same...

In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote: "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."

He didn't have to write the Constitution to be respected as one of the founding Fathers nor to interpret the Laws as written. You stated that And I quote..

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some silly person with nothing better to do and a black robe, made up the separation thing all by their lonesome.
Which is not correct .
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So with which law made by Congress do you have an issue?
A 2003 congressional resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution that would legally define marriage as the union between a man and a woman only, for one.
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Nope. You're not even close. For the overwhelming majority of the Country's history, the first Amendment was held to say what it says. It has only been since the 1940's that creepy people, that prance about in black costumes started reading mystic invisible writing,not unlike the practices at Delphi. And imagining the private letters could be counted as constitutional writings.

You know I'm not making up when I talk about the Supreme Court finding "emanations and penumbras" to the written word right? they might as well be reading chicken entrails.
or have made higher than average scores on their English placement tests for college...
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I like that billboard much better than the one that tells me that if I don't beat my child, he will go to hell.
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A 2003 congressional resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution that would legally define marriage as the union between a man and a woman only, for one.
When did the states ratify that amendment?
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When did the states ratify that amendment?
They didn't. The resolution was sent to Committee to see if it would stand up under Constitutional Law and has not been debated by the full house. My guess is that it's been forgotten.
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They didn't. The resolution was sent to Committee to see if it would stand up under Constitutional Law and has not been debated by the full house. My guess is that it's been forgotten.
Thank you Xcali.

So, my original question to saltwn remains unanswered: "With which law made by Congress do you have an issue?"
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Actually They used the words of the most famoous of our founders to coin the term and also to apply it to Law..

In a Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut Thomas Jefferson Wrote...

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

The intent of the First amendment was very clear as to how religion should be treated in this country.
You've never read both Danbury letters (the letter from the Danbury Baptist Church and the letter to it) in thier entirety. If you have, then you're being intentionally disingenous. The letters are not about the Church's involvement in the gov't, but the gov't's involvement in the church. That "wall" that Jefferson refers to is not a wall around the gov't keeping the church out, but a wall around the church, keeping the gov't out. Read BOTH letters and put that one sentence in context and it becomes clear what I'm saying.
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