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The gridlock in American politics is worse than ever, and two respected, nonpartisan political analysts say Republican politicians in D.C. are to blame.

That’s the message in the article entitled, “Admit it. The Republicans are worse,” written by Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein, published in The Washington Post this weekend.

The article is an unprecedented attack on the professionalism of the Republican members of Congress, written by two of the most esteemed political analysts in the United States. Mann is a senior fellow at the center-left Brookings Institution, while Ornstein is a resident scholar at the center-right American Enterprise Institute.

In the article, the two political analysts argue that the Republican lawmakers hold the major part of the responsibility for the dysfunctional political system the Congress has become.

“We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party,” they write.

“In the third and now fourth years of the Obama presidency, divided government has produced something closer to complete gridlock than we have ever seen in our time in Washington, with partisan divides even leading last year to America’s first credit downgrade. On financial stabilization and economic recovery, on deficits and debt, on climate change and health-care reform, Republicans have been the force behind the widening ideological gaps and the strategic use of partisanship,” Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein write.

The two political analysts say that it isn’t fair to blame both parties for the gridlock, as the Republicans are the driving force behind the strategic use of partisanship, such as holding up nominations, blocking widely supported bills and obstructing policy making in D.C.

“Democrats are hardly blameless, and they have their own extreme wing and their own predilection for hardball politics. But these tendencies do not routinely veer outside the normal bounds of robust politics,” it is argued in the article.

“The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges,” they continue.

The article is an appeal to the press to start acknowledging that they don’t always need to tell both sides of the stories – when one of the sides are right and the other isn’t, it’s important to tell that to the voters:

“A balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon distorts reality. If the political dynamics of Washington are unlikely to change anytime soon, at least we should change the way that reality is portrayed to the public,” Norman J. Ornstein and Thomas E. Mann write.

The article is adapted from their book “It’s Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism,” scheduled to be published today.

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I think I will order a copy of..It’s Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism
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I know Ornstein is respected by the left and that's it, and for him to blame republicans most is not surprising in the least.

However, I would submit the following....AS majority leader in the Senate Harry Reid and the democrats have not produced a budget in over 1000 days. He has also refused to bring up any bill that has past in the house, many of them jobs related bills.

How anyone in their right mind can see just those few facts and say republicans are more to blame for gridlock obviously has partisan blinders on.
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I think I will order a copy of..It’s Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism
This is what many people know (more or less) and why many of us have abandoned even local GOP candidates. That is unfortunate, but one cannot be too sure when you vote for one and they become the same extremists we see in DC already.
We are quickly labeled partisan to the point we must defend or abandon. In short we must pick a side or forgo politics (voting and caring) altogether. When faced with these choices even the most skeptical close-pin the nose and rally around the opposition.
The more hatred we inspire the further left it drives us. Whether we want to be all in for the liberals or not.
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I know Ornstein is respected by the left and that's it, and for him to blame republicans most is not surprising in the least.

However, I would submit the following....AS majority leader in the Senate Harry Reid and the democrats have not produced a budget in over 1000 days. He has also refused to bring up any bill that has past in the house, many of them jobs related bills.

How anyone in their right mind can see just those few facts and say republicans are more to blame for gridlock obviously has partisan blinders on.
With all due respect, Mr. Liberty, those points are cherry picked and played on the favorite news channels and websites. They don't give the full picture now or what has led up to these circumstances. If that fact (the lack of budget) were in and of itself a stand alone status without surrounding and previous maneuvers (some very questionable) by the GOP, believe me when I say I would be right there with you and I would vote for Mitt or whomever to get rid of the Democrat's slight but real majority.
There have just been too many lies and scams for me to do that. For instance, one incident comes to mind when the Republicans would not visit the floor to vote to further debate (which must be done to debate and amend in a bi partisan way. They in fact sent a representative to read into the record that this bill was being filibustered. By some strange loop hole he did not have to proclaim who the filibustering representative was, just that it was being done. That night or next day the Republican leaders came on TV saying their amendments and debate were not heard by the Democrats Well of course they were not heard! You see what I'm getting at? And this has gone on time after time.
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We are quickly labeled partisan to the point we must defend or abandon. In short we must pick a side or forgo politics (voting and caring) altogether.
The more hatred we inspire the further left it drives us. Whether we want to be all in for the liberals or not.
ROFLMAO. Really Salty? After your I hate Republicans, Republicans are stupid and other vitriol you've been posting the last couple days, you try to come across as being non partisan.

Pretty funny
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This is what many people know (more or less) and why many of us have abandoned even local GOP candidates. That is unfortunate, but one cannot be too sure when you vote for one and they become the same extremists we see in DC already.
We are quickly labeled partisan to the point we must defend or abandon. In short we must pick a side or forgo politics (voting and caring) altogether. When faced with these choices even the most skeptical close-pin the nose and rally around the opposition.
The more hatred we inspire the further left it drives us. Whether we want to be all in for the liberals or not.
I plan to read the book,these are respected political analysts,I read their credentials and I was greatly impressed. As for the rest of your commentary...I agree with your concerns. I try to seek the middle ground on most issues but eventually it's decision time. We have great challenges before us and gridlock is the worst I've ever seen. When economic news shows improvement and others find said improvement to be upsetting,we know that we're in for a bumpy ride..
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I plan to read the book,these are respected political analysts,I read their credentials and I was greatly impressed. As for the rest of your commentary...I agree with your concerns. I try to seek the middle ground on most issues but eventually it's decision time. We have great challenges before us and gridlock is the worst I've ever seen. When economic news shows improvement and others find said improvement to be upsetting,we know that we're in for a bumpy ride..
I went to the Brookings Inst. site and looked at Mr. Manns credentials and I saw nothing in there that was impressive at all. He has never served in Congress, nor can I see where he had any kind of a job outside of being an analyst for a liberal think tank. And from the list of papers he has written I saw many critical of republicans, but not one critical of democrats. It seems that you are easily swayed by a couple of degrees.
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Thirty jobs bills, a budget, 4 appropriations billsand a repeal of Obamacare all sit in the Senate' s in basket with not so much as a committee hearing but the Republican "extremists" are to blame.

The first 2 debt ceiling bills were tabled without serious consideration by partisan Senate Democrats. They couldn't wait for the second one to be delivered before voting to table it. But they are not extremists.
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I went to the Brookings Inst. site and looked at Mr. Manns credentials and I saw nothing in there that was impressive at all. He has never served in Congress, nor can I see where he had any kind of a job outside of being an analyst for a liberal think tank. And from the list of papers he has written I saw many critical of republicans, but not one critical of democrats. It seems that you are easily swayed by a couple of degrees.
And what did you find concerning Ornstein,was he also a liberal partisan? I don't believe he is. I'm not sure one can find a totally unbiased political analyst. In a sense..all of us here are political analysts and we bring our bias to the table.Those that have degrees in political science are more likely to sway employers to employ them and get paid for their analysis,the rest of us do not. If this article had gone the other way and they found that the Democrats were more responsible for DC gridlock you would likely say that the authors are politically astute because the programs that Democrats support are in fact responsible for the gridlock in question. There are many ways to look at the causation of gridlock and assign responsibility for it. That's why I want to read their book,I want more information.

It seems that you are easily swayed by any assessment that appears to go against the GOP or the conservative message. You may be even more partisan than Ornstein and Manns,they at least admit that Democrats are hardly blameless, and they have their own extreme wing and their own predilection for hardball politics.

For some,political labels like liberal and conservative fit nicely. For others,these labels are not a good fit,they try to separate the wheat from the chaff in the political rhetoric they hear on a daily basis. They may be conservative on some issues and liberal on other issues. Take pity on them,they have a harder time deciding the facts where partisans just get in line with their preferred talking points.
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So predictable. If the right is blamed for anything at all change the subject or attack those blaming. The VP Cheney attacked Obama before he left DC. The republicans Had a meeting on inauguration day to plan the failure of Obama. Mitch McConnell said it was his goal to make Obama a one term POTUS. I mean geeez. Is this really a mystery or a shock. It isn't to me.
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