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7 Year old Girl Raped on School bus by Teenager!

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7 Year old Girl Raped on School bus by Teenager!

And people wonder why I'm in favor of home schooling.
So the child can be raped by Daddy? This is a sick sad moment but should not be an indictment against public schooling. There are risks being a member of society and unfortunately, this is one of those risks. The only way that we can improve the situation is to create a better system, eliminating the system doesn't do that.
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So the child can be raped by Daddy? This is a sick sad moment but should not be an indictment against public schooling. There are risks being a member of society and unfortunately, this is one of those risks. The only way that we can improve the situation is to create a better system, eliminating the system doesn't do that.
I'm afraid you are wrong. It is very bad and very dangerous in a lot of American communities today to put your kid on a bus and entrust them to the public school system. Just because it may not happen where you live, doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
Grant you, I think most of it is in urban areas. But look how much those areas are growing compared to a few years ago.
I drove my kids to school in a suburb of Houston. My son who was a young teen is now almost 33. It is not like it used to be. There were teachers selling drugs at his school ( in a pretty elite neighborhood) at the time and we found that out later. All I knew was my radar was up cause the administration and some other staff was acting weird. One teacher grabbed my son by the back of the neck and without letting go circled to the front of his neck and slammed him against a wall. This took place on the last day of school. My son did not tell me about it till we had moved during the summer. It happened because he had been wearing a T shirt that was unacceptable to the school, and went in and changed and the teacher attacked him when he came out of the boys room thinking it was still the same shirt.
My daughter attended jounior high in a farming community where you would think there was no violence to speak of. The noise level in the classroom was defening. I know because I've been there. An assistant principle roughly grabbed her arm and turned her around to question her about why she was present on a reschedualing day. I guess they had trouble with kids showing up just to hang out. But did he pick on the boisterous ones in the crowd who were already beginning to act up and putting their hands down their shorts and acting crazy? No. This person who's authority had gone to his head went after an 89 lb girl who was standing quietly in line. But guess what? I was there standing to the side. So I got to intercede and everything turned out O.K.
But I did not work at the time and I could be there. What about the many women who have to work just to make ends meet? They cannot go with their children like I did after the incident with my son.
My two youngest daughters petitioned us, their parents to send them to a private school. They were being taught things they had already learned in most cases. My youngest daughter on her own tutored a couple of her friends in math. Her teacher in that second grade class put her in a punishment chair for wetting her pants when she wouldn't let her go to the bathroom and knew she was on bladder medication. There was almost a lawsuit over that. The district allowed us to move her to another school because there was only one second grade teacher that year.
So don't tell me the public school system is worth fixing. I am not a believer any more!
They need MORE jounior highs and high schools. They need every teacher, coach and administrator to take ANGER MANAGEMENT. They need to EXPELL THE HELL out of some unruly students. Three strikes your out? Let's see that in school. Maybe it won't happen in society.
Are they going to do that NO!
They NEED to allow parents to be parents again and spank children that are unruly at home so the teachers don't have a hard time in class. Are they going to do that NO!
They NEED to FAIL the HELL out of some lazy dumbass kids. Yeah, right!
So it's BROKEN! Can't be fixed because the dumb assed people in charge won't let it be fixed. They're too busy worrying about poor unfortunate illegal aliens and SPENDING money on their pet f__king projects instead of on MORE schools and TEACHERS. Johnny can't read but he can sure use a gun. Ask teenagers to tell you honstly how much dope is sold on campus. You'll be surprised.
But listen, if Johnny can't read they can give him a better snow job than they did on his parents the TAXASSED PAYERS!!!!!!!
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I'm afraid you are wrong. It is very bad and very dangerous in a lot of American communities today to put your kid on a bus and entrust them to the public school system. Just because it may not happen where you live, doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
Grant you, I think most of it is in urban areas. But look how much those areas are growing compared to a few years ago.
I drove my kids to school in a suburb of Houston. My son who was a young teen is now almost 33. It is not like it used to be. There were teachers selling drugs at his school ( in a pretty elite neighborhood) at the time and we found that out later. All I knew was my radar was up cause the administration and some other staff was acting weird. One teacher grabbed my son by the back of the neck and without letting go circled to the front of his neck and slammed him against a wall. This took place on the last day of school. My son did not tell me about it till we had moved during the summer. It happened because he had been wearing a T shirt that was unacceptable to the school, and went in and changed and the teacher attacked him when he came out of the boys room thinking it was still the same shirt.
My daughter attended jounior high in a farming community where you would think there was no violence to speak of. The noise level in the classroom was defening. I know because I've been there. An assistant principle roughly grabbed her arm and turned her around to question her about why she was present on a reschedualing day. I guess they had trouble with kids showing up just to hang out. But did he pick on the boisterous ones in the crowd who were already beginning to act up and putting their hands down their shorts and acting crazy? No. This person who's authority had gone to his head went after an 89 lb girl who was standing quietly in line. But guess what? I was there standing to the side. So I got to intercede and everything turned out O.K.
But I did not work at the time and I could be there. What about the many women who have to work just to make ends meet? They cannot go with their children like I did after the incident with my son.
My two youngest daughters petitioned us, their parents to send them to a private school. They were being taught things they had already learned in most cases. My youngest daughter on her own tutored a couple of her friends in math. Her teacher in that second grade class put her in a punishment chair for wetting her pants when she wouldn't let her go to the bathroom and knew she was on bladder medication. There was almost a lawsuit over that. The district allowed us to move her to another school because there was only one second grade teacher that year.
So don't tell me the public school system is worth fixing. I am not a believer any more!
They need MORE jounior highs and high schools. They need every teacher, coach and administrator to take ANGER MANAGEMENT. They need to EXPELL THE HELL out of some unruly students. Three strikes your out? Let's see that in school. Maybe it won't happen in society.
Are they going to do that NO!
They NEED to allow parents to be parents again and spank children that are unruly at home so the teachers don't have a hard time in class. Are they going to do that NO!
They NEED to FAIL the HELL out of some lazy dumbass kids. Yeah, right!
So it's BROKEN! Can't be fixed because the dumb assed people in charge won't let it be fixed. They're too busy worrying about poor unfortunate illegal aliens and SPENDING money on their pet f__king projects instead of on MORE schools and TEACHERS. Johnny can't read but he can sure use a gun. Ask teenagers to tell you honstly how much dope is sold on campus. You'll be surprised.
But listen, if Johnny can't read they can give him a better snow job than they did on his parents the TAXASSED PAYERS!!!!!!!
There are flaws in the system, but it's not nearly as broken as you make it out to be. The problem is not public education, the problem is the parents lack of responsibility for taking an active role in their child's education. The more parents are involved, the fewer problems we have. It doesn't mean that we should have parents doing the job of trained educational professionals. It means that we should have parents doing their jobs (parenting) so the teachers can do theirs (teaching).
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Absolutely appalling....they presume to teach our children accountability yet deny accountability when children are placed in their care?.. I would like to read the statute on this law,I know that day care providers can and are held accountable for rape and molestation while the child is in their care.When an entity accepts a child,there should be a reasonable assumption that they take responsibility for the child's safety.
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Absolutely appalling....they presume to teach our children accountability yet deny accountability when children are placed in their care?.. I would like to read the statute on this law,I know that day care providers can and are held accountable for rape and molestation while the child is in their care.When an entity accepts a child,there should be a reasonable assumption that they take responsibility for the child's safety.
I remember hearing in the news how a woman successfully sued an airline cause she woke up, and a guy was masturbating in a seat next to her and he had left something in her hair.

I don't understand how the people in this story don't have responsibility.
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I remember hearing in the news how a woman successfully sued an airline cause she woke up, and a guy was masturbating in a seat next to her and he had left something in her hair.

I don't understand how the people in this story don't have responsibility.
Exactly...what parent would turn their child over to anyone on a daily basis knowing they would not be held accountable for their safety? It is precisely the expectation of reasonable care and safety that allows them to trust the system with the care of their children.
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Perhaps a civil action should be taken... one girl was raped... but that means that ANY child on the school transit is unsafe... I would think the ACLU would be all over this to get that law changed.
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Perhaps a civil action should be taken... one girl was raped... but that means that ANY child on the school transit is unsafe... I would think the ACLU would be all over this to get that law changed.
I don't think it's the "law" (per se), but the actions of HOW school bus drivers are "cleared" and "vetted"...

These drivers have to understand what should be simple logic, but the system has to tell them anyway and show proof that the drivers know how to handle situations...

AND the school district itself has to understand the simple logic of the boy's history and not have people like him placed in a situation where he can go psycho...
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but if she cannot sue the school, then is that not a faulty law?

I think that the system is lucky they are picking on an older woman right now... I think if I was told I would not get justice through the system for my family, then I would likely get it another way.
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