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Dear Agueda (we would have called you Aggie for short ),

I want you to know, darling great-granddaughter, that I deeply apologize for the fact you were never born. There was no malformation that would have made you suffer, or some death defying illness that made the doctor relieve your beloved mom from pain and choose her life over yours. That might have been honorable.

No, you were never born because women got the idea they were a country unto themselves. No longer wishing to be equal partners with their men, they decided that any whim was good enough to get rid of your tiny little pink azz, cute and cuddly though you may have become.

When abortion became a birth control alternative, all bets were off and the money game rolled in big time. It lobbied both major political parties and blasted the news media with subversive messages giving men and women alike the idea that to question the ethics, data , or health risks of this procedure was to commit a social faux pas the likes from which even the most beloved celebrity could never recover.

So the generations before (what would have been) yours stubbornly clung to their "right to privacy" at any risk even equating it with civil rights and women getting the vote.

I hate to say it, Aggie, but in one way I'm glad you were never born, because by that time it would have been against the law for me to read you the Bible or send you to Sunday school. I would be an eccentric old outcast with a criminal record but your (almost) mum, my precious cherub granddaughter, instead of coming to me and the rest of her family with the news and the dilemma as we all so warmly wished, sought only the Nazi state supported Clinic for answers.

And hiding behind a banner that said "freedom for women" what advice do you think they gave her?
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I hope you feel a little consolation in the fact your placenta was sold to a hairdressing company and some of your cells were cloned for an Alzheimer research study.
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I want you to know, darling great-granddaughter, that I deeply apologize for the fact you were never born. There was no malformation that would have made you suffer, or some death defying illness that made the doctor relieve your beloved mom from pain and choose her life over yours. That might have been honorable.
It's "honorable" to abort malformed fetuses or those with "death-defying" illnesses? I see. So it's only "dishonorable" to abort physically perfect specimens. I'm sure the handicapped will be thrilled by the news that it would've been "honorable" for their mothers to abort them because they weren't normal. Maybe they can still be convinced to do the "honorable" thing and abort themselves retroactively.
I think you should get right on that, Salty.

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No, you were never born because women got the idea they were a country unto themselves. No longer wishing to be equal partners with their men, they decided that any whim was good enough to get rid of your tiny little pink azz, cute and cuddly though you may have become.

Yeah, gosh darn those wayward wimminz, thinking they have the right to control their own reproductive functions. Where do they get off?

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I hate to say it, Aggie, but in one way I'm glad you were never born, because by that time it would have been against the law for me to read you the Bible or send you to Sunday school.
Um, yeah, I was just thinking how I probably ought to go kill my kids today, since it's against the law for me to read the bible to them and of course life's not worth living if some old lady can't follow you around spouting bible verses at you. You're better off just being dead, in that case. Oh wait: it's not against the law to read the bible.

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And hiding behind a banner that said "freedom for women" what advice do you think they gave her?
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It's "honorable" to abort malformed fetuses or those with "death-defying" illnesses? I see. So it's only "dishonorable" to abort physically perfect specimens. I'm sure the handicapped will be thrilled by the news that it would've been "honorable" for their mothers to abort them because they weren't normal. Maybe they can still be convinced to do the "honorable" thing and abort themselves retroactively.
I think you should get right on that, Salty.




Yeah, gosh darn those wayward wimminz, thinking they have the right to control their own reproductive functions. Where do they get off?



Um, yeah, I was just thinking how I probably ought to go kill my kids today, since it's against the law for me to read the bible to them and of course life's not worth living if some old lady can't follow you around spouting bible verses at you. You're better off just being dead, in that case. Oh wait: it's not against the law to read the bible.



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It's "honorable" to abort malformed fetuses or those with "death-defying" illnesses? I see. So it's only "dishonorable" to abort physically perfect specimens. I'm sure the handicapped will be thrilled by the news that it would've been "honorable" for their mothers to abort them because they weren't normal. Maybe they can still be convinced to do the "honorable" thing and abort themselves retroactively.
I think you should get right on that, Salty.

If I thought you give a darn about those people I might be crushed.
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Yeah, gosh darn those wayward wimminz, thinking they have the right to control their own reproductive functions. Where do they get off?

gee whiz spoiled bratz??? noo they don't have a 'wight' to get wid of a healthy baby no matter how far the abortion clinic machine takes this down the legal road, missy.
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Um, yeah, I was just thinking how I probably ought to go kill my kids today, since it's against the law for me to read the bible to them and of course life's not worth living if some old lady can't follow you around spouting bible verses at you. You're better off just being dead, in that case. Oh wait: it's not against the law to read the bible.
It was a futurama in the OP. hello


robot attitudes and little biddy minds is what rules these gals psyche. That and a great sense of entitlement. "I think they used to call it, "I think the world owes me...".
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I don't consider myself lucky that I was born; I don't consider life to be any big treat.
I was born post-Roe, so I know that it was my mother's choice to carry me to term. If I ever discovered that she had been forced to gestate and give birth to me against her will, I would not want to live. I would prefer to be dead than to know that I was the instrument of another woman's dehumanization.
I call bull****. When life is at stake we fight. Talk about "the drama..."
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This really resonated with me.
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No, we are not gods. We are not the property of the government either, or under any obligation to donate the use of our bodies for someone else's benefit.

That is our decision. Not the governments. Or our husbands. Or our boyfriends. Or anyone else's.

We are women.
Many hundreds of thousands of conscripted soldiers would disagree from their graves. The Government certainly felt that it had a perfect right to their lives, their flesh and their actions.
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Many hundreds of thousands of conscripted soldiers would disagree from their graves. The Government certainly felt that it had a perfect right to their lives, their flesh and their actions.
I guess you could take those apples and oranges and make a nice fruit salad.
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I guess you could take those apples and oranges and make a nice fruit salad.
Of course one could. You know, contrary to popular misconception apples and oranges are very easy to compare. It is hard perhaps, for people who only think in terms of external and shallow appearances, to do so.

In this case the comparison is much, much easier, and quickly evaporates the childish notion that or government has historically exercised greater corporal control over women than men. This is transparently obvious but may need to be explained for the lest attentive students.

Men are subject to conscription, and may thereby be commanded to perform actions certain to result in death. Women are not.

American men have died and been maimed in their hundreds of thousands over two and a quarter centuries as a result of conscription, a direct form of Government control over their bodies. Women have not.

In this light, serious people will have a difficult job if they wish to convince themselves that women who engage voluntarily in reproductive acts are in some manner put upon by a misogynistic society when they are required to comport themselves as responsible adults. I have little doubt however, that with a careful substitution of emotionalism and scripted outrage for tiresome reason, many will manage the contortion.
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Of course one could. You know, contrary to popular misconception apples and oranges are very easy to compare. It is hard perhaps, for people who only think in terms of external and shallow appearances, to do so.

In this case the comparison is much, much easier, and quickly evaporates the childish notion that or government has historically exercised greater corporal control over men than women. This is transparently obvious but may need to be explained for the lest attentive students.

Men are subject to conscription, and may thereby be commanded to perform actions certain to result in death. Women are not.

American men have died and been maimed in their hundreds of thousands over two and a quarter centuries as a result of conscription, a direct form of Government control over their bodies. Women have not.

In this light, serious people will have a difficult job if they wish to convince themselves that women who engage voluntarily in reproductive acts are in some manner put upon by a misogynistic society when they are required to comport themselves as responsible adults. I have little doubt however, that with a careful substitution of emotionalism and scripted outrage for tiresome reason, many will manage the contortion.

I don't believe that males in our society should be forced to fight against their will any more than I believe females should be forced to reproduce against their will. Both customs are barbaric. There has not been a draft since the early 70s (the same time, coincidentally, that abortion became legal), and I would be extremely surprised if there were ever another one. If there is, then you might have a point (although probably not the one you think you have).
In the past 40 years, since the civil rights movement, men have not been forced to fight against their will, and women haven't been forced to breed against their will. And Jim Crow laws have been abolished, and there have been many other positive changes as well.
It should be noted that even in the past when there was a draft in effect, men who didn't want to fight could easily obtain CO status, or get a medical or psychiatric waiver. And only the lower classes were required to participate, as middle and upper class young men of draft age were typically enrolled in college and therefore exempt.
So you see, it really is apples to oranges. When abortion was illegal, there was no conscientious objector status that a woman could obtain which would exempt her from being forced to reproduce against her will. There were no psychiatric waivers she could obtain, which would exempt her. And college girls weren't exempt either (not legally, anyway; the middle and upper classes of course always had an easier time obtaining safe abortions, even when abortion was illegal).

Anyway, if and when another draft is enacted, I'll fight against that with equal tenacity. The fact that there used to be drafts does not convince me that abortion should now be illegal. When there were drafts, abortion was illegal. Now abortion has been legal for nearly half a century, and there also hasn't been a draft in approximately that long.
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