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Old 02-15-2012, 09:44 PM
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I fail to see how anyone was punked. Obama stuck his nose too deeply into the religious liberties of certain employers and got it bitten, so he had to withdraw his original plan and obsequiously offer a compromise. A good compromise but one motivated by dreams of being elected again.
You didn't even read the article, did you.
Cause you aren't responding to the meat of the article.

1) WHAT did the Democrats actually want regarding contraception and health-care?
They wanted the health care option available and the people to know it was available.
Who paid for it is irrelevant.
If you think that is significant to the issue for Democrats, then you truly don't know what the priorities are...

2) WHAT HAPPENED with the Republicans?
Obama did something, so Republicans started talking about it.
And the Republican presidential candidates were oblivious to the fact that their pronounced opinions were flying in the face of the majority.

Give 'em enough rope. They'll hang themselves.

3) "Good compromise"?
The amusing thing about this claim is YOU EVEN COMMENTED in the thread that cnredd started attempting to blast Obama for this "compromise", where the religious were declaring it completely unsatisfactory.
Worse and even more recently, when cnredd posted in this thread about how some on the religious left were having a problem with the issue, you "Thanked" him for the post.
So you "obviously" read it...
But you try to label it as a "good" compromise when people are still trying to insist it isn't?


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The Republicans don't compromise with Obama on anything at all. They see this as an end run around the liberties of employers. I don't agree with the Republicans on this one but whatever.
Both sides were fighting an ideological battle with each other and neither got what they wanted in total.
What do you really think was important to the Democrats on this issue?


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Nobody got punked except the morons who bought into that transparent spin job you tried to pass off as a legitimate editorial.
Considering you didn't truly address it in the first place, your assessment doesn't hold much water.


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This cartoon is stupid. The issue isn't whether an individual follows the teaching or not.
Of course that isn't important for the right.
If hypocrisy were important, then half their presidential nominees heads would explode.


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The issue is about how society should not be given a mandate that they cannot follow the teaching if they so desire.
Who in society would be given that mandate, under the Obama plan (either version of it)?

It's not the employers who would be using the contraception.
It's an option for the employees.
Hardly a "mandate".


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Liberals suffer a serious disconnect between their histrionic perceptions and what the rest of the world sees. I think it might actually be a mental disorder after all.
It is thoroughly hilarious for you to make this claim in this specific thread.
Considering the positions that the right has espoused on contraception based on Obama putting this center stage, their comments have done more to alienate themselves from the mainstream...
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:53 PM
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The problem I see is that the article in the OP made it seem like the administration planned for the whole thing to unfold the way it did and I just don't think that's the case. Given that the Catholic church has already fought this battle in the New York courts and lost, I don't think the administration expected them to push back as hard as they did. While I think the compromise is quite fair, it doesn't seem like something they had in their back pocket all along.
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:08 AM
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This cartoon is stupid. The issue isn't whether an individual follows the teaching or not. The issue is about how society should not be given a mandate that they cannot follow the teaching if they so desire.

Liberals suffer a serious disconnect between their histrionic perceptions and what the rest of the world sees. I think it might actually be a mental disorder after all.
WOW! Ya beat me to it!

The poster shot hisself in the foot with that cartoon, and did not even notice the selt-inflicted logical repudiation of his stance. Oh, the irony.

The cognitive disconnect inherent in posting that cartoon is hilarious.

It actually supports the other cartoons, and defeats the lib poster's argument all by itself.
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So the President intentionally created a problem and then proposed a solution to the problem he created??? That's what I'm hearing.... That's crap leadership.
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So the President intentionally created a problem and then proposed a solution to the problem he created??? That's what I'm hearing.... That's crap leadership.
If that's all you're hearing, then you obviously don't get it...

It's like the principal pulling the fire alarm.
And afterwards, the Republicans react badly to it. Some start talking about how if the fire raped somebody, and whether or not it was an "honest" rape. Some insist that the person the fire raped should carry the baby to term.
Some talk about whether the government should have the power to prevent people from preventing a fire...
And some do claim a violation of religious fire freedom.
And then, the principal calmly walks everybody out of the school. Announcing that there will be a compromise.

But for those Republican presidential candidates who presented those crazy ideas...
The bell has been unrung. Something exposed which cannot be hidden again.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:02 AM
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You didn't even read the article, did you.
Cause you aren't responding to the meat of the article.
Yes I read the article. I responded to the article. Are you capable of responding to a post or do you just want to create another fantasy argument like usually do?
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WOW! Ya beat me to it!

The poster shot hisself in the foot with that cartoon, and did not even notice the selt-inflicted logical repudiation of his stance. Oh, the irony.

The cognitive disconnect inherent in posting that cartoon is hilarious.

It actually supports the other cartoons, and defeats the lib poster's argument all by itself.
Actually it was just poking fun of the behaviors of the lay Catholic population and the cognitive dissonance from the Catholic body at-large of that and the reaction of the church hierarchy, calm yourself bro, no need to be flippant.

You too IP.
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Yes I read the article. I responded to the article. Are you capable of responding to a post or do you just want to create another fantasy argument like usually do?
You respond to the first two sentences, ignoring the vast majority of what I said (which was actually the part that was on topic).

I'll try repeating it for you.
If you want to ignore it again, that's still on you...

1) WHAT did the Democrats actually want regarding contraception and health-care?
They wanted the health care option available and the people to know it was available.
Who paid for it is irrelevant.
If you think that is significant to the issue for Democrats, then you truly don't know what the priorities are...

2) WHAT HAPPENED with the Republicans?
Obama did something, so Republicans started talking about it.
And the Republican presidential candidates were oblivious to the fact that their pronounced opinions were flying in the face of the majority.

Give 'em enough rope. They'll hang themselves.

3) "Good compromise"?
The amusing thing about this claim is YOU EVEN COMMENTED in the thread that cnredd started attempting to blast Obama for this "compromise", where the religious were declaring it completely unsatisfactory.
Worse and even more recently, when cnredd posted in this thread about how some on the religious left were having a problem with the issue, you "Thanked" him for the post.
So you "obviously" read it...
But you try to label it as a "good" compromise when people are still trying to insist it isn't?


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Originally Posted by IP
The Republicans don't compromise with Obama on anything at all. They see this as an end run around the liberties of employers. I don't agree with the Republicans on this one but whatever.
Both sides were fighting an ideological battle with each other and neither got what they wanted in total.
What do you really think was important to the Democrats on this issue?


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Originally Posted by IP
Nobody got punked except the morons who bought into that transparent spin job you tried to pass off as a legitimate editorial.
Considering you didn't truly address it in the first place, your assessment doesn't hold much water.


Quote:
Originally Posted by IP
This cartoon is stupid. The issue isn't whether an individual follows the teaching or not.
Of course that isn't important for the right.
If hypocrisy were important, then half their presidential nominees heads would explode.


Quote:
Originally Posted by IP
The issue is about how society should not be given a mandate that they cannot follow the teaching if they so desire.
Who in society would be given that mandate, under the Obama plan (either version of it)?

It's not the employers who would be using the contraception.
It's an option for the employees.
Hardly a "mandate".


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Originally Posted by IP
Liberals suffer a serious disconnect between their histrionic perceptions and what the rest of the world sees. I think it might actually be a mental disorder after all.
It is thoroughly hilarious for you to make this claim in this specific thread.
Considering the positions that the right has espoused on contraception based on Obama putting this center stage, their comments have done more to alienate themselves from the mainstream...
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You respond to the first two sentences, ignoring the vast majority of what I said (which was actually the part that was on topic).
Because the vast majority of what you say is just irrelevant, prissy bitching with no worth to the discussion.
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If that's all you're hearing, then you obviously don't get it...

It's like the principal pulling the fire alarm.
And afterwards, the Republicans react badly to it. Some start talking about how if the fire raped somebody, and whether or not it was an "honest" rape. Some insist that the person the fire raped should carry the baby to term.
Some talk about whether the government should have the power to prevent people from preventing a fire...
And some do claim a violation of religious fire freedom.
And then, the principal calmly walks everybody out of the school. Announcing that there will be a compromise.

But for those Republican presidential candidates who presented those crazy ideas...
The bell has been unrung. Something exposed which cannot be hidden again.
No, it's like the principal starting a fire, then pulling the fire alarm and taking credit for saving the school...
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