Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Your funny so I'll play along. The administration went to the telecom companies 4 months after coming in to office to obtain your phone and internet records. Now because of the fact that you have the right to be secure in your papers. And because they realize that that was illegal they want to give the telecom companies a free pass for breaking the law. The reason they want congress to shield the telecoms from criminal responsibility is to protect their own fat asses from prosecution. The administration had no right to obtain your info without a warrant. In short. They broke the law and against the constitution they are sworn to protect and defend. I know this usually does mean much to the right because they apparently have no understanding of why the constitution and the Bill of rights were written.
The right thinks party trumps country. It is obvious given the lack of willingness to investigate anything from the mismanagement of the war. To billions of missing dollars in cash. From war profiteering to false intelligence. They have no interest because they fear it will shine a bad light on BUSHCO. No bid contracts. OK with the republicans. Why? Because they are republicans.
A couple of facts for you. Military pay goes up under the democrats. Bush said the last military pay increase wasn't needed. So somehow that makes the right more pro military.
And the right attacks actual heroes all the time. Max Clelland for example. Left 3 limbs on the battlefield. The right called him a coward. It goes on and on. And the attacks are usually led by Rush or Hannity or Cheney or Savage etc. Non of which ever risked their asses for anyone.

The right. Geez don't get me going

Originally Posted by cnredd

Your missing the who intention of the thread...

You're equating "socialism" with the disappearance of rights...

"Socialism" is the government taking care of you from cradle to grave...There is very little from this administration that comes close to that...

While as the Democratic candidates are PURE in that manner...

They explicitly want to penalize success...They are trying to nationalize healthcare...They will raise taxes...

"It Takes A Village"...

Originally Posted by Mikeyy

America’s founding fathers, the greatest human proponents of freedom in history, warned us repeatedly to remain forever vigilant in the protection and preservation of individual liberty and freedom.

I was responding to this. And I was explaining that its the left who is trying to keep the administration within the constitutional requirements. Obtaining warrants, Probable cause and the like.

Originally Posted by V.F.V.

Yes, but it appears that now there are enough people who want changes for changes sake without consideration of what the bad consequences will be when Hillary Rotten or Obama Hussein is elected the next president.

Right wing is better than left wing. I haven't personally lost any rights, nor has the average American citizen. The same could be said in regards to when the right challenges the left. I think you had better think about your own Chicken hawks.

Originally Posted by V.F.V.

You're funny in a disgusting sort of way, so I'll play for the other side against you. I'm not a criminal or a terrorist, so I don't care if my phone calls are tracked or if someone reads what I post on forums. As for the rest of your statements there just the expected and usual B.S. statements of socialist liberals.

Originally Posted by PlainOleAmerican

Get real... Democrats are NOT opposing federal power, they are opposing Republicans being in control of that government power. They are playing modern politics as usual, not defending your rights.

Where do Democrats stand on your right to life?

Where do they stand on your right to bear arms?

Where do they stand on your right to define and earn your own happiness?

Where do they stand on your right to free religious expression?

Where do they stand on your right to earn and own property?

Democrats are on the wrong side of ALL of these issues and many more. Nobody used federal intelligence to pursue American citiznes like the Clinton's did...

So, are you really silly enough to believe your argument that Democrats are fighting against the BIG GOVERNMENT socialist corporations and White House for the purpose iof defending your unalienable rights?

Originally Posted by V.F.V.

I don't agree that pointing out what Clinton or Obama are proposing they will do if elected are cheap shots.

Originally Posted by saltwn

Here's a metaphor for ya'.
See if you can keep up.
WINGS are a rip off that some saucy entrepreneur invented as a "delicacy".
They leave you thinking you had a real meal, when you could have gotten a couple of thighs and some mashed potatoes for the same money a few years ago.
They serve celery with wings! Thank you! Now I am one of the "in" crowd who licks blue cheese dressing off her fingers.
RIGHT WING/LEFT WING. The dumbest non conformist radical groups usually call themselves one or the other and are darned proud to be counted as the few-the proud-the butt heads!!
I do hope you got all that.

Originally Posted by Mikeyy

I'm not a terrorist or a criminal either. That has nothing to do with this case. If you read what I posted the administration started this info mining before 9-11. If you don't understand your rights as an American then you will not notice when they are gone. The law requires a warrant. Do you even know why a warrant is required? It sounds just like a communist party member when you say "If you have nothing to hide comrade then don't worry" You don't seem to grasp the fact that these laws are designed to keep the power in the hands of the people. You remember. Of the people By the people for the people.

Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

That's not what I was referring to,see below.

Even the RNC has called for an end to this type of cheap shot! It energizes Independents to support Hillary and Obama.

This nation has become more "moderate",the candidate who recognizes this fact will win the election.