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Old 12-02-2011, 04:15 PM
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In another thread a poster c&p's an editorial from somebody named Nick Hanauer.

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Nick is apparently a rich guy who claims to believe the way you make rich guy's like him is to spread wealth throughout the general populace, then exploit that wealth. Makes sense, maybe. The way he suggests you accomplish this is by taxing other rich guy's like him more. You then spread that wealth throughout the GP. Can't lose right? He's a rich guy. He must know.

Now me, I'm not so much a rich guy, but I've seen how this spread the wealth thing works from the bottom up. I've taken advantage of it, and I disagree with Nick. So here's the way spread the wealth looks when you're trying to exploit it from bottom to top, rather than from top to bottom.

For a time I was a taxi driver - drove em, owned em, ran a company.

When I first got into the cab business I was just a driver. Through the month you struggled to get by, but at the end of the month there was something called 'Welfare Week'. The poor got their money, and they wanted to spend it. They needed, and wanted taxis. We did well during welfare week. Without it there would have been hard times. We cabbies needed welfare week to survive the rest of the month.

I know there would have been hard times for a fact, because eventually the days of free and easy money came to an end. Somewhere at the top somebody decided there wasn't the money for welfare there used to be, and a push began to get exploiters of the free money gravy train back to work. That was hard on those of us who exploited them. In the good times they exploited the government, and we exploited them. Sympatico.

However...the government, party poopers arrived, and money did not flow so freely. Times became tough quickly.

I had to look around for another way to make money. It was then I discovered boom towns. Where I am there is always a boom somewhere. Oil, forestry, housing, special events - something is always creating a boom town somewhere. I stayed in the cab business, but went on the road chasing boom towns, and I did well as a taxi driver, or perhaps for a taxi driver.

I did so well, I was able to buy taxis, and exploit a badly run company to take over its operation. Business was soon booming. We needed more cars. We went to the government, and requested licenses. They would not give them to us.

It was then I learned the hard lesson of street economics 101. It went like this. If the government would not give us licenses, we could not grow. In the cab business, if all you have are cars, you are always just one, or two traffic mishaps away from tragedy. If you should ever be in this business I would advise you to avoid hiring drunks, and pot smokers. Let us say times got suddenly tough. If I had the extra licenses, I could have rode the problems out, by drawing extra commerce, or financing from the extra licenses. I couldn't get them. I found it necessary to sell out.

Soon there was a new owner. Now, he had what we'll call the political connections. In a manner of months, he had 20 new licenses.

At this point I believe I can share incites. Floating in his yacht, Nick would not see the things I saw down in my rowboat. He was not influenced by the little currents, and eddies that bobbled me about. He could ride out the storms. I could not.

Nick says spread the wealth from above. They will do well below, and we will do well above. Good idea, but what happens when they run out of buckets of money to pour on those of us down below. Nick says get bigger buckets. OK Nick, but what happens when there's nothing to put in the buckets?

And here's another problem with buckets of money Nick. It's been my experience they don't flow evenly. Some get a portion from the bucket. Some do not. I suspect this is a lesson you yourself learned on your trip to the top. It's possible this is why, even now, you are such a fan of bucket filling as solution. However, admittedly you were wiser than me, and were able to find exploits I could not. Go you.

Nevertheless, sour grapes aside, to spread money from the buckets evenly (although I doubt that's what you're really suggesting) you guys who currently manage the buckets are going to find them emptying very quickly. Perhaps what you find in your bucket at the end of the day will not be much more than what you give those of us who draw from the bucket. Perhaps then you will lose your zeal for bucket filling. When that happens whose going to fill my bucket? Give me a choice, and I'd rather fill my own.

Currently we are in a time of emptying buckets. What you are suggesting may have had some merit back when the buckets were full. They are full no longer. What you are suggesting won't work during the current time of rapidly emptying buckets. Some can easily fill them now, true, but I can tell you as one who once relied on the rain of free money, from full buckets, it doesn't last forever no matter whose yacht, or how many the money is pouring down from.

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It's called graft my friend and it's been going on for years whether in government or in private "cost plus" enterprises.
Instead of complaining about the game you learn to play it or pick a partner who knows something or two.

From the bottom up is how this country was built and has always survived. Trickle down did nothing but cause a lot of divorces for the middle class, miserly lives for the poor and bought a few more private islands for some uber wealthy.
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It's called graft my friend and it's been going on for years whether in government or in private "cost plus" enterprises.
Instead of complaining about the game you learn to play it or pick a partner who knows something or two.

From the bottom up is how this country was built and has always survived. Trickle down did nothing but cause a lot of divorces for the middle class, miserly lives for the poor and bought a few more private islands for some uber wealthy.
You misunderstand, my dear. I'm not saying things are currently bad for me (although thanks for your concern). I'm saying things were bad once, and I learned. I'm not talking 'trickle down', or 'trickle up' from the wealthy, the government, or anybody else. I'm suggesting leave it alone, and let us find our own way.
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You misunderstand, my dear. I'm not saying things are currently bad for me (although thanks for your concern). I'm saying things were bad once, and I learned. I'm not talking 'trickle down', or 'trickle up' from the wealthy, the government, or anybody else. I'm suggesting leave it alone, and let us find our own way.
I agree with you then. dammit!
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Infidel, I am the one who posted the article from Nick, and I think you got it wrong. He was very hands on in business, and he understands that it is important that guys like him, the 1%, do what they do...but what he is trying to debunk is the notion that people like him "create" jobs. What he is saying is that guys like him saw their wealth grow exponentially under Reaganomics the past 30 years while the middle class stagnated and waned, and while poverty increased. What he is saying is that it is a huge lie that by creating the system whereby rich guys like him become uber rich, it will trickle down to the rest of us.

What he is saying is that the only way to build the economy and grow the middle class and put people back to work is to put money in the pockets of the middle class consumers because there is no way that by giving the 1% tax breaks, they are going to have the kind of purchasing power needed to get us back on our feet.

The rich have become richer because they have taken their exponentially obscene gains and invested for their capital gains instead of investing in this country and it's people.

We need to put money into the countries infrastructure, this would also put people back to work.

It is wrong to think that because he is rich, he was not in the trenches. If you read the article, you can see that yes he did buy companies and he did invest in companies but he also worked to develop companies.

It is an interesting perspective.
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I agree with you then. dammit!
I could not disagree more....we need government intervention in this huge economic crisis. We need to invest heavily in The Conservation Corps and have another WPA as we did under FDR to not only get people working, but overhaul our infrastructure and keep our natural resources like parks up and running.

We need to make sure people have extended unemployment benefits so they can keep consuming and feeding commerce because that is where the jobs are.

Protecting the richest Americans and allowing them to become even MORE rich while the middle class shrinks and poverty grows will only drive us further over the edge.

Reaganomics failed.....we need to return to the visionary policies that got us out of the depression.
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I could not disagree more....we need government intervention in this huge economic crisis. We need to invest heavily in The Conservation Corps and have another WPA as we did under FDR to not only get people working, but overhaul our infrastructure and keep our natural resources like parks up and running.

We need to make sure people have extended unemployment benefits so they can keep consuming and feeding commerce because that is where the jobs are.

Protecting the richest Americans and allowing them to become even MORE rich while the middle class shrinks and poverty grows will only drive us further over the edge.

Reaganomics failed.....we need to return to the visionary policies that got us out of the depression.
Well if you don't bend you'll break. We tried pushing that agenda and it was cut up and swept away. Plus spin doctors have changed the truth through dark lies. I understand we have to work with Republicans and if I was in congress I would still stress that. But if nothing is being done it doesn't matter what your ideology is. You have to find some common ground and when that doesn't work take it to the American people. If that doesn't work it just doesn't work.
Either we have to get rid of congress or the President. If people aren't willing to vote for at least one agenda to go forward we are sunk.
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Well if you don't bend you'll break. We tried pushing that agenda and it was cut up and swept away. Plus spin doctors have changed the truth through dark lies. I understand we have to work with Republicans and if I was in congress I would still stress that. But if nothing is being done it doesn't matter what your ideology is. You have to find some common ground and when that doesn't work take it to the American people. If that doesn't work it just doesn't work.
Either we have to get rid of congress or the President. If people aren't willing to vote for at least one agenda to go forward we are sunk.
Obama, and his administration, have failed in making their case. The only way FDR was able to get his policies through and save this country is because he was FDR. He was one of the greatest orators of our time, and he knew how to sell an idea.

Republicans have made it clear that the only way they will support an idea is if Obama is against it, so maybe Obama should start agreeing with them.
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Well if you don't bend you'll break. We tried pushing that agenda and it was cut up and swept away. Plus spin doctors have changed the truth through dark lies. I understand we have to work with Republicans and if I was in congress I would still stress that. But if nothing is being done it doesn't matter what your ideology is. You have to find some common ground and when that doesn't work take it to the American people. If that doesn't work it just doesn't work.
Either we have to get rid of congress or the President. If people aren't willing to vote for at least one agenda to go forward we are sunk.
...oh, and I agree about the dark lies completely. Every time I hear people say Obama is a Socialist, it makes me cringe, they actually believe he is a socialist and that Obamacare is Universal Healthcare. They also believe he bailed out Wall Street, when it was Bush who signed TARP into law before he left office. They also conveniently forget that Reagan raised taxes 11 times, he granted amnesty to 400,000 illegal immigrants and bailed out Chrysler. They also forget that GWB signed the biggest piece of socialist legislation in the unfunded prescription drug act of 2003 with the support of Republicans and bailed out the airlines when they were about to go bust.

We have a very ignorant electorate.
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