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My "party" is just coming back into its own.
Ya know whats sad? Most of us have no issue with cutting spending. The left has agreed to. The right is playing politics.
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Ya know whats sad? Most of us have no issue with cutting spending. The left has agreed to. The right is playing politics.
I am neither right nor left, but an anti-federalist. If any label would stick that would be the one.
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I didn't say "give in to the President's demands". You need a refresher in basic reading.
Pray tell us what consessions you would have Obama make to the tantrum throwing old men Republicans. So far you have written nothing critical of the Dear Leader but have plenty of nasty things to say about Republicans. Here is an opportunity to prove my conclusion wrong.

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Again, which has what to do with the national political climate?
I explained why I chose California's Prop 8.

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you want to talk about same sex marriage and obsess over what homos do with their impending marriage licenses, go do it somewhere else. If you want to rant and rave and demonstrate your obsession with Adam and Steve stemming from 2004 when it's now 2011, by all means...just don't expect me to indulge your dysfunction.
Your request was to explain the national scope of the gay marriage issue, Listing 11 states plus California that have passed referendums defining marriage between 1 man and 1 woman answered your request. Instead of responding, you suggest I have some obsession. How about a comment defending your unsupported claim social issues don't matter.

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Well bully for you. Glad you can do google searches about your favorite topic. As to this one...
I provided a link to assist you in researching the comment I made. Yes I should be ashamed of trying to assist your research.

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Well this just demonstrated why the radical, unthinking infestation in the Republican party has such blind support. Go educate yourself on the issue. Then come back to me when you have a ****ing clue.
I need your "help" explaining why we will default when tax receipts exceed debt service requirements.


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And again...I've not given Obama the first ok for his part in all this. When you can actually read a post and respond to THAT rather than whatever deranged fantasy you come up with at the time...get back to me.
I have provided facts, Prop 8, and 11 states with gay marriage bans enacted by referendum to support the assertion that social issues matter. I have debunked the notion we will automatically default if the debt ceiling is not raised. I explained the relationship between defict spending and the debt ceiling. All you seem capable of responding with is insults. Please prove you are capable of more.
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Pray tell us what consessions you would have Obama make to the tantrum throwing old men Republicans. So far you have written nothing critical of the Dear Leader but have plenty of nasty things to say about Republicans. Here is an opportunity to prove my conclusion wrong.



I explained why I chose California's Prop 8.



Your request was to explain the national scope of the gay marriage issue, Listing 11 states plus California that have passed referendums defining marriage between 1 man and 1 woman answered your request. Instead of responding, you suggest I have some obsession. How about a comment defending your unsupported claim social issues don't matter.



I provided a link to assist you in researching the comment I made. Yes I should be ashamed of trying to assist your research.



I need your "help" explaining why we will default when tax receipts exceed debt service requirements.




I have provided facts, Prop 8, and 11 states with gay marriage bans enacted by referendum to support the assertion that social issues matter. I have debunked the notion we will automatically default if the debt ceiling is not raised. I explained the relationship between defict spending and the debt ceiling. All you seem capable of responding with is insults. Please prove you are capable of more.
I am not going to get into this any further because clearly you can't read a post and respond to it without editorializing it in some fantastical way that creates an argument for you to argue against so you don't have to address the ones that were actually made.

I will say this just as a correction: I never asked the first thing about Prop 8 nor did I request any clarification from you as to why you are so obsessed with that particular issue. A singular vote in California does not make an argument that anyone cares, on a national level, about a social agenda unless you start digging back nearly a decade for a time when it was a wedge issue.

And finally, the commentary here was centered on Republicans. Had the commentary been about Obama, then there would have been occasion to detail Obama's fault in this whole mess...something I have done extensively at this forum for years.

And now that I am done with you...let me address the forum at large:

The type of post (and poster) I have been dealing with in this thread today is precisely what has gone wrong in the Republican party lately. It used to be that the most insidious part of our party was the Jesse Helms types...ready to protect their states at all cost but at the price of having to deal with their soap boxing about abortion, flag burning, and tobacco lobbies. You knew that despite their close minded (and sometimes bigoted) beliefs, they at least had the interests of the country in mind.

These days, the southern Republicans would be a blessing to have as the main party embarassment. Today, we have incoherently worked up hordes of rubes running amok with tea bags hanging off their heads decrying the lowest taxes in decades as being "enough already". They have elevated their own representation in the form of a host of undisciplined, unfocused hacks who are only remarkable in the alacrity and glee with which they latch on to the politics of anger and rage against anything and everything. "Don't tread on me" was perverted from a worthy national motto into a battlecry for the masses of pissy peasantry bemoaning any and all success for the country if it happened under the watch of "the other guys".

The Republican establishment foolishly invited, nay begged, what would have been a political fad that would have faded with a whimper into the fold, giving them a legitimate voice within an established and respected political order. All because they thought there were winning numbers in that marginal political movement who's only requirement for membership was to have a perpetually raging 47th chromosome urging one to do ridiculous things like refer to oneself as a "teabagger" and then get angry when the media politely obliged by calling them the name they offered when introducing themselves to the nation. In inviting them in, the Republicans offered these marginal, slack-jawed mouthbreathers the opportunity to comment on everything from gay marriage to the immigration issue...opening a door for them to inject their faux outrage over what should be simple discussion. Look at Arizona...once a proud state with a philosophy of self reliance, little regard for criminality, and a fairly peaceful social climate. Now it's a place giving rise to borderline vigilante militias like the minutemen, citizens don't feel safe if they look a little too hispanic, and a congresswoman being shot by a kook at a public event. Texas is defiantly breaking Geneva Conventions, mostly to spite the other side because no subsidiary government would have reason to undermine the vested authority of the federal executive to carry out diplomacy unless they had an ideological axe to grind.

And more on the topic of this thread...you got an impotent house and senate who can't even work out how to keep from defaulting on the national debt.

But true to the same form all his teabagging comrades share, you have this mongoloid popping in the thread getting his ass on his shoulders because you dared speak about...I dunno...the people discussed in the commentary without giving equal (and by equal, I mean excessive overkill more) outrage to "the other guys".

It's disgusting really. I blame the interwebz and the 24 hour news cycle beamed directly into every home, demanding that people be constantly outraged over something. And who gets outraged better than a bunch of NASCAR deprived rednecks baking in the desert heat being told that they can be better than the other tornado bait, mobile home dwelling lemmings if they just get outraged about the possibility of raising taxes on people they have no hope of associating with anyway.
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I am not going to get into this any further because clearly you can't read a post and respond to it without editorializing it in some fantastical way that creates an argument for you to argue against so you don't have to address the ones that were actually made.

I will say this just as a correction: I never asked the first thing about Prop 8 nor did I request any clarification from you as to why you are so obsessed with that particular issue. A singular vote in California does not make an argument that anyone cares, on a national level, about a social agenda unless you start digging back nearly a decade for a time when it was a wedge issue.

And finally, the commentary here was centered on Republicans. Had the commentary been about Obama, then there would have been occasion to detail Obama's fault in this whole mess...something I have done extensively at this forum for years.

And now that I am done with you...let me address the forum at large:

The type of post (and poster) I have been dealing with in this thread today is precisely what has gone wrong in the Republican party lately. It used to be that the most insidious part of our party was the Jesse Helms types...ready to protect their states at all cost but at the price of having to deal with their soap boxing about abortion, flag burning, and tobacco lobbies. You knew that despite their close minded (and sometimes bigoted) beliefs, they at least had the interests of the country in mind.

These days, the southern Republicans would be a blessing to have as the main party embarassment. Today, we have incoherently worked up hordes of rubes running amok with tea bags hanging off their heads decrying the lowest taxes in decades as being "enough already". They have elevated their own representation in the form of a host of undisciplined, unfocused hacks who are only remarkable in the alacrity and glee with which they latch on to the politics of anger and rage against anything and everything. "Don't tread on me" was perverted from a worthy national motto into a battlecry for the masses of pissy peasantry bemoaning any and all success for the country if it happened under the watch of "the other guys".

The Republican establishment foolishly invited, nay begged, what would have been a political fad that would have faded with a whimper into the fold, giving them a legitimate voice within an established and respected political order. All because they thought there were winning numbers in that marginal political movement who's only requirement for membership was to have a perpetually raging 47th chromosome urging one to do ridiculous things like refer to oneself as a "teabagger" and then get angry when the media politely obliged by calling them the name they offered when introducing themselves to the nation. In inviting them in, the Republicans offered these marginal, slack-jawed mouthbreathers the opportunity to comment on everything from gay marriage to the immigration issue...opening a door for them to inject their faux outrage over what should be simple discussion. Look at Arizona...once a proud state with a philosophy of self reliance, little regard for criminality, and a fairly peaceful social climate. Now it's a place giving rise to borderline vigilante militias like the minutemen, citizens don't feel safe if they look a little too hispanic, and a congresswoman being shot by a kook at a public event. Texas is defiantly breaking Geneva Conventions, mostly to spite the other side because no subsidiary government would have reason to undermine the vested authority of the federal executive to carry out diplomacy unless they had an ideological axe to grind.

And more on the topic of this thread...you got an impotent house and senate who can't even work out how to keep from defaulting on the national debt.

But true to the same form all his teabagging comrades share, you have this mongoloid popping in the thread getting his ass on his shoulders because you dared speak about...I dunno...the people discussed in the commentary without giving equal (and by equal, I mean excessive overkill more) outrage to "the other guys".

It's disgusting really. I blame the interwebz and the 24 hour news cycle beamed directly into every home, demanding that people be constantly outraged over something. And who gets outraged better than a bunch of NASCAR deprived rednecks baking in the desert heat being told that they can be better than the other tornado bait, mobile home dwelling lemmings if they just get outraged about the possibility of raising taxes on people they have no hope of associating with anyway.
You poor thing. It is all too much asking for thoughtful analysis of your assertions. At every juncture you have chosen to respond with Progryssve invective and class warfare instead of substantive argumentation, you manufacture offense. For the moment, I'll leave you to your rants filled with sound and fury signifying nothing, a tale told by an.... You know the rest.
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You poor thing. It is all too much asking for thoughtful analysis of your assertions. At every juncture you have chosen to respond with Progryssve invective and class warfare instead of substantive argumentation, you manufacture offense. For the moment, I'll leave you to your rants filled with sound and fury signifying nothing, a tale told by an.... You know the rest.
Says the rube who can't respond to the points made without manufacturing outrage that off topic criticism wasn't made of "the other guys".

Go get tea bagged by an illegal or something. Make your day a little brighter.
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[quote=Idealogically Promiscuous;322799]Says the rube who can't respond to the points made without manufacturing outrage that off topic criticism wasn't made of "the other guys".

My goodness, in less than an hour and 1/2 you violated your promise "I am not going to get into this any further." Your lack of self-discipline illustrates the mentality behind calling Republicans grumpy little men for refusing to violate their campaign promises to not raise taxes. You don't take your promises seriously so they shouldn't either. Fortunately House Republicans have not followed your example.

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I am not going to get into this any further Go get tea bagged by an illegal or something. Make your day a little brighter.
You have suggested I ought not vote, post on this forum and now I should engage in a sex act with an illegal alien while claiming I am angry and obsessed. What I am is amused by your frustration at over an inability to raise a logical argument in support of your unreasoned declarations. But it is a trifling amusement.
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