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Old 03-29-2011, 08:28 PM
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I don't "stand" with either of them unless they BOTH want to end this crap. As I said in one thread, send them all to Sweden, and make a tourist attraction out of the whole region (it is anyway). Give the proceeds to the Swedes (if they'll have them) to defray cost of putting up with them ALL.
Empty the place out. We made that country-we can end it.
Matter of fact take the dome/temple and give it to the UFO theorists; they're trying to say it's the next Hail Bop anyway.
Palestinians live among us. Just go have a conversation with some. Go have one with someone who moved here from Israel. Both are probably decent upstanding people. Both will probably say they had friends and/or family murdered by the other guys.
Israel has been trying to make peace since its inception. They've given money, legal protections that the "Palestinians," more properly called "Jordanians" never kn9owe in their own primitive country, forgiven blood, overlooked savagery, granted education and provided health service. What more do you feel that you have the right to demand of them?
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Try this. Two men are rude too each other. They may even have cheated each other in the past.

Man "A" has made some attempt to improve their relationship, but continues to be occasionally rude, and even has been known to slap Man "B," who also slaps.

Man "B" has produced a long knife and is trying to gut Man "A" like a fish.

You seem to find moral gratification in standing there and listing each man's flaws, and you think this takes "guts." Man "B," is about to open Man "A's" abdomen, and show your real guts.

I'm sorry, but this is a morally deranged position. Save your pontifications, and knock Man "B" to the ground, then help man "A" wrestle the knife away.

Then you can go back to you little judgments.
Let's look at your analogy without all the lies and distortions, shall we?

Man "A" comes over to Man "B"s property and starts building a fence on his lawn in such a way that it prevents Man "B" from getting to his car in the driveway to go to work.

Then Man "A" starts shooting Man "B"s children when they come out into the yard to hang up their laundry.

In addition, Man "A" goes all around the neighborhood telling Man "B"s neighbors that it is Man "B"s fault he had to build the fence on Man "B"s property.

For 50 years Man "B" has to live with Man "A"s f_cking fence on his property.

Then Man "B" decides to do something about it and all his neighbors blame him for the conflict.

Oftencold, you make me sick!
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We weren't discussing foreign aid. We can have that discussion if you'd like; In another thread though
OK then...

I stand with Israel (& everyone else) in a very John Quincy Adams way.
America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet on her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world; she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit. . . . Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
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Israel has been trying to make peace since its inception. They've given money, legal protections that the "Palestinians," more properly called "Jordanians" never kn9owe in their own primitive country, forgiven blood, overlooked savagery, granted education and provided health service. What more do you feel that you have the right to demand of them?
Why do insist on calling people something they don't consider themselves. Are you Columbus?
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OK then...

I stand with Israel (& everyone else) in a very John Quincy Adams way.
America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet on her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world; she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit. . . . Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
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John Quincy Adams hated Israeli's.

It's in his memoirs.
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Well, that sounds nice. But remember, when most people call for "justice," they are really demanding revenge.
Why does Israel want revenge?
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Why do insist on calling people something they don't consider themselves. Are you Columbus?
More like Columbo.
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John Quincy Adams hated Israeli's.

It's in his memoirs.
Funny, he supported the concept of the Jews rebuilding Judea - obviously the US would play no integral role in it.

Do you have any real evidence of his hatred for the Jews?
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The Left says "I stand with Israel." like the Fonz apologizes...
You think the left is anti Israel but that isn't the case. I don't think the "Left" are of one mind. Some never find Isaerl at fault at all. Are youi one of those?
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Funny, he supported the concept of the Jews rebuilding Judea - obviously the US would play no integral role in it.

Do you have any real evidence of his hatred for the Jews?
No, I'm just f_ckin' with ya!
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