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Old 03-29-2011, 07:49 PM
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thank you.

so. I DO understand you correctly??
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You know, that's grotesque oversimplification asw substitute for coherent philosophy.

How exactly does one not oppose a savage people dedicated from infancy to the destruction by any means necessary of a civilized people
however imperfect the later is?
How does one come to such a conclusion exclusively from the mouths of their enemy?
How can he reach that conclusion that Palestinians are savage just from reports from Israelis? Israelis say Palestinians are savages, and so do mouth pieces, but what are the facts? It's a war/conflict. Each kills children old people etc. Israel may have better means to cover some of theirs up politically, but they are they same. Talk to some Palestinians. Talk to some Israelis--you will hear the same story.
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How can he reach that conclusion that Palestinians are savage just from reports from Israelis? Israelis say Palestinians are savages, and so do mouth pieces, but what are the facts? It's a war/conflict. Each kills children old people etc. Israel may have better means to cover some of theirs up politically, but they are they same. Talk to some Palestinians. Talk to some Israelis--you will hear the same story.
By listening to the Palestinians, of course. How else?

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I think I'll stand with whomever needs justice.
Well, that sounds nice. But remember, when most people call for "justice," they are really demanding revenge.
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Israelis do not kill children intentionally. Arab/muslims do. and i defy you to post intentionally killed arab children.

Arab Muslims train their children from infancy to be ready to kill themselves as well as any other victims they can take with them, specifically jewish.
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By listening to the Palestinians, of course. How else?

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I don't "stand" with either of them unless they BOTH want to end this crap. As I said in one thread, send them all to Sweden, and make a tourist attraction out of the whole region (it is anyway). Give the proceeds to the Swedes (if they'll have them) to defray cost of putting up with them ALL.
Empty the place out. We made that country-we can end it.
Matter of fact take the dome/temple and give it to the UFO theorists; they're trying to say it's the next Hail Bop anyway.
Palestinians live among us. Just go have a conversation with some. Go have one with someone who moved here from Israel. Both are probably decent upstanding people. Both will probably say they had friends and/or family murdered by the other guys.
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We should not support the opperations of any foreign governments under any circumstances.
It is funny how many "conservatives" rail ad infinitum about the domestic welfare state yeah support the same concept equivocally when it comes to foreign aid to certain "allies."
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Here's what we need to do with Israel:
  • Freeze all military shipments to the country
  • Freeze all Israeli assets in US banks
  • Outlaw AIPAC
  • Stop using our veto in the UNSC to protect Israel from prosecution when they commit war crimes
  • Send the 6th fleet into the area and break the economic blockade Israel has been instituting on Gaza for the last 2 years
  • Tell Israel they got 90 days to get their ass out of the OPT or we will open fire on them
That's what we need to do to war criminals who flip the bird at the rest of the international community.
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We should not support the opperations of any foreign governments under any circumstances.
It is funny how many "conservatives" rail ad infinitum about the domestic welfare state yeah support the same concept equivocally when it comes to foreign aid to certain "allies."
We weren't discussing foreign aid. We can have that discussion if you'd like; In another thread though
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The problem is, when it comes to Israel and Palestine - there are multiple issues with which to take a side on.

To blindly - and yes I mean blindly - state that "I stand with Israel" is to ignore those issues and avoid having the guts to tackle them each on their own merits.
Try this. Two men are rude too each other. They may even have cheated each other in the past.

Man "A" has made some attempt to improve their relationship, but continues to be occasionally rude, and even has been known to slap Man "B," who also slaps.

Man "B" has produced a long knife and is trying to gut Man "A" like a fish.

You seem to find moral gratification in standing there and listing each man's flaws, and you think this takes "guts." Man "B," is about to open Man "A's" abdomen, and show your real guts.

I'm sorry, but this is a morally deranged position. Save your pontifications, and knock Man "B" to the ground, then help man "A" wrestle the knife away.

Then you can go back to you little judgments.
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The problem is Israel and the palestinians have never been able to finish their war. The international community steps in and stops whatever is happening at the time leaving all the hate and animosity in place and resolving nothing.

Let the two sides go at it until there is a victor and to the victor goes the spoils. It's quite simple really.
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