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Why did Heir Ronald mention it in a campaign speech?
Because he wanted to take away independent and swing democrat votes. It worked but he was a liar.
Fed employees used to have more rights than they do now. They started taking pension disbursement choices and other things when I worked for them in the 80s.
Why???
Because there was that first group of boomers starting to retire soon. They thought to save a little money. Some who could strike did for themselves and those who weren't allowed by law (nurses in Texas for one).
That was the beginning and Regan ratcheted it up with the air traffic controllers. Remember all those airplane crashes for years after that? Brilliant move Heir leader.
When Ron became prez 38 %
The public sector unions are the last strong unions in America.
We need unions back we need them strong to throw off the
When anybody is unionized it raises the salaries benefits and conditions of everyone union or not.
They gave us the week end They gave us a day off they gave us over time and the 8hr work day.

This little punk Scott is a bully like all punks and wants to show he's another Regan.
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Why did Heir Ronald mention it in a campaign speech?
Because he wanted to take away independent and swing democrat votes. It worked but he was a liar.
Give it up Salty, you are just digging a deeper hole.
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Why did Heir Ronald mention it in a campaign speech?
Because he wanted to take away independent and swing democrat votes. It worked but he was a liar.
Fed employees used to have more rights than they do now. They started taking pension disbursement choices and other things when I worked for them in the 80s.
Why???
Because there was that first group of boomers starting to retire soon. They thought to save a little money. Some who could strike did for themselves and those who weren't allowed by law (nurses in Texas for one).
That was the beginning and Regan ratcheted it up with the air traffic controllers. Remember all those airplane crashes for years after that? Brilliant move Heir leader.
When Ron became prez 38 %
The public sector unions are the last strong unions in America.
We need unions back we need them strong to throw off the
When anybody is unionized it raises the salaries benefits and conditions of everyone union or not.
They gave us the week end They gave us a day off they gave us over time and the 8hr work day.

This little punk Scott is a bully like all punks and wants to show he's another Regan.
They even needed to start paying into SS instead of their own special retirement, medicare and everything. The absolute inhumanity of it.
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They even needed to start paying into SS instead of their own special retirement, medicare and everything. The absolute inhumanity of it.
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What paying into the Ponsi scheme? This only proves your false Gods believe in nothing but what works for them at any given time.
And yes not being allowed to pay into someone's own retirement plan is kinda screwed dontch think?
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Where is that distinction in his commentary?
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

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What paying into the Ponsi scheme? This only proves your false Gods believe in nothing but what works for them at any given time.
And yes not being allowed to pay into someone's own retirement plan is kinda screwed dontch think?
Sad when the governments own workforce wasn't paying in the Social Security System. But a seperate Federal Workers Retirement Program. Nice Spin though.
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YouTube - Ronald Reagan: Collective Bargaining = Freedom

I don't know where this video was shot but here's something:

In a campaign speech he gave in Liberty State Park in Liberty, New Jersey on Labor Day 1980, Reagan, ...

... expressed his support of Polish workers who were, under eventual Nobel Peace Prize winner Lech Walesa's leadership, rising up against the Communist regime's domination and demanding the right to form unions, organize and bargain.


After his election, and less than month after firing the air-traffic controllers, Reagan didn't back down from his support of organized labor. In a speech at a trade union gathering in Chicago in September 1981, he said,


9/1/1980 Speech
Reagan also promised that despite tough economic times, he would "not fight inflation by attacking the sacred right of American workers to negotiate their wages. We propose to control government, not people."

Well that was a big fat furry-with-cat-litter-sprinkles lie, wa' 'n't it Mr. Ronnie?
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Golly gee saltwn, I hate to break it to ya, but nobody thinks Mr Reagan was perfect.
Do you think there is/was a perfect president?
Do you somehow think that just because a president says something that makes everybody that voted for him in agreement with what he said about every issue?, Regardless of changing times?
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Sad when the governments own workforce wasn't paying in the Social Security System. But a seperate Federal Workers Retirement Program. Nice Spin though.
Might have a lot to do with civil service in general being set up a bit like the military. Why set up a new system when you have a pattern already. Just a guess though. But when they first started this crap they wanted people who were about to retire (funny public or private always do it at a time like that huh?) and make them wait 2 years to get any money then dole it out in small increments hoping the employee would die before they got very much. It was federal employee unions who were allowed to strike(non nurses and doctors) that I know of got a compromise out of that. With out a freer union the employees retiring would have just had to take it or lump it which is what Republicans now want to happen. Actually Republicans hate public education and only want the very wealthy to be able to educate their children. Wake up and change parties now. You don't have to vote Democrat but don't ever vote Republican again. The party is a ruse now for totalitarian rule.
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Golly gee saltwn, I hate to break it to ya, but nobody thinks Mr Reagan was perfect.
Do you think there is/was a perfect president?
Do you somehow think that just because a president says something that makes everybody that voted for him in agreement with what he said about every issue?, Regardless of changing times?
I voted for Regan once and I certainly do not agree with his actions as he was a lot like Walker in talking out of both sides of his mouth while doing the opposite.
You cannot deny he is the Greek God of conservative speak though.
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I remember in 2008 when all the Republicans were tripping over themselves in trying to prove to the voters that they were just like Ronald Reagan. They idolize the guy almost to the point where it breaks the 1st Commandment.
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