That's right, we didn't get the change we wanted. Obamacare had to be passed in a big hurry so we could find out all the good things inside. The key aspect of the bill was to start us down the road to socialized medicine AKA single-payer by decimating private health insurance. We see the early phase of this strategy by the selective use of waivers; the Federal overlord giveth and taketh away.

That's why the House after a huge crop of new members who ran opposing Obamacare voted to repeal it. That's why Dirty Harry blocked a Senate vote on the repeal. It's because a majority of voters want to keep Obamacare.

Let's see the Dimocrats held a 40 seat House majority and 60 seats in the Senate when the Obamacare bill was being crafted in secret by the Dimocrat leadership in both chambers. So, the alleged frustration is with the Dimocrats who failed to include the public option, like Dennis Kucinich. But wait, Progryssve darling Lil Denny was re-elected. Sixty-three new Republicans were elected to the House, all of them opposed to Obamacare as a bad program. Progryssve Kookcinich voted for Obamacare without a public option and Republicans won opposed to the whole bill. Where is the great outpouring of "frustration" with a lack of a public option? In fevered Progryssve imaginations.

Hate has nothing to do with it. It's a polemicist ruse to marginalize Obamacare opponents as wild-eyed unreasoning zealots rather than look dispassionately at the looming disaster called Obamacare.

I think it was more about private sector jobs, and not so much government jobs. Government and public sector jobs are adding to the debt. We need private sector jobs to add to the tax revenue base, rather than subtract from it.

What about the thousands of people and businesses in each state who depend of public employees for THEIR livelihood whether they themselves are union or not?

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Do they have collective bargaining rights? Is the taxpayer paying their salaries, bennies, and pensions? Which ones in specific are you referring to?

The gal who started her own business doing house cleaning and many of her clients are teachers...the guy who runs a gas station where public employees fillup their car every week...the local grocers, the restaurants, the people who are non union who are employed in places supported by public employee jobs.

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Lemme see if I got that straight ... There are NON-union workers employed in places that are SUPPORTED by PUBLIC EMPLOYEE JOBS ... THAT's what you're sayin' ... ? That's the biggest load of 'merde' I've ever heard ... you wouldn't mind giving specific EXAMPLES of the kind of places you mean, would you ... ? It ain't like the mom 'n pop restaurant on the corner's gonna fail 'cuz suddenly the PUBLIC SECTOR UNION PERSON has to start paying for PART of their bennies ... this is SO lame ... maybe you mean McD's or BK is gonna fold as a result? No ... ? Perhaps department stores like y' got at the Mall of America are gonna fold ... ? Nope - but the commercial real estate bubble is gonna bust soon, and that'll do a lot of 'em in - but being done in by a lack of support from UNION ('public employee') workers ... ? No way ... You stretched the hell out of that one, but it's still an EPIC FAIL ...

What kind of places OTHER THAN GOVERNMENT are supported by these people ... ?

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You have the most acrobatic brain I have ever seen. It's amazing how you twist and contort economic reality. You actually think public employees are the ones keeping the private sector working. Unbelievable.

You seem to assume that things remain static in an economy, and this isn't the case. How about the gal who started her own business doing house cleaning, and she picks up new clients in the CEO of the new private corp in town, or some of his employees?

Gee where does the money to pay the state employee come from? Why, from those thousands of people and businesses you mention. Taxes don't add to the economy they just redistribute the $ to where ever the government deems is most worthy.

Many states have constitutional balanced budget requirements which means when public employee unions demand more pay, the only way their Dimocrat servants can comply is to cut elsewhere in the budget or raise taxes. That's why Wisconsin has limited future raises to the rate of inflation.

But wait, there is another way union owned politicians can satisfy the demands of their special interest masters, promise lavish pensions to be paid for with future tax revenues. Pass the burden to future generations. Wisconsin wants to increase the employee contribution to pay the promises made by previous union puppets.

Both the cap on wage increases and taking benefits off the negotiation table are reasonable reforms designed to prevent the problem from being repeated. But hey, no opportunity to march in the street shouting about the class struggle and issuing nonnegotiable demands can be passed up by Dimocrats when their union cash cow is threatened.