Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Tea Party Are Faces of GOP Overreach - Page 2

Gordon Shumway · #11 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

If you re-read what I said, I clearly acknowledge that there was a mandate for change...
... and whether the change we got was approved was an entirely different issue.

And as for your more definitive statements, research on the issue shows ignorance of the passed legislation plays HUGELY into people's opinions of it.
When what is actually included in Obamacare is pointed out, the majority approves.

There are people who are not happy cause it did not go far enough.
The people wanted a public option.
That also should not be in dispute...
But they didn't get it, and that obviously frustrates people.

But there is a difference inbetween hating legislation cause you think it's bad, and hating legislation cause you think it didn't go far enough.

explanation...
my two statements punctuated with

were merely mocking the whole notion of the mandate
the question I asked is legit & is probably best answered in another thread where it appears that it's about vote buying instead of doing what's best for the people because if it were what's best for the people there wouldn't be a need for the waivers
demand some comply & give waivers to your base

http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/new...tml#post266443

texmaster · #12 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

There is a CLEAR public mandate for healthcare reform.
That should be undeniable.

Really! And where is the fantasy poll that supports you?

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Whether "Obamacare" was what the people truly wanted is a separate issue.

Actually no that is THE issue. We do live in a Democracy remember?

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After Repubs gutted so many things (like the public option which had majority support),

A fantastic move yes

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whether what was left was what they wanted IS NOT the same thing as liberals acknowledging that healthcare reform WAS wanted.

What liberals like yourself continue to not understand that wanting reform does NOT mean wanting YOUR idea of reform and thats why we won in 2010 and will win in 2012.

winston53660 · #13 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by texmaster

Really! And where is the fantasy poll that supports you?

USA TODAY/ GALLUP POLL

The new health care bill:

Makes the most changes important needed 4%

Is a good first step; more changes are needed 48%

The system doesn't need changes 8%

No opinion 10%

Source: USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,005 adults Monday. Margin of error: +/-4 percentage points.

Poll: Health care plan gains favor - USATODAY.com

cnredd · #14 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

USA TODAY/ GALLUP POLL

The new health care bill:

Makes the most changes important needed 4%

Is a good first step; more changes are needed 48%

The system doesn't need changes 8%

No opinion 10%

Source: USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,005 adults Monday. Margin of error: +/-4 percentage points.

Poll: Health care plan gains favor - USATODAY.com

Your poll is from March of LAST year...ONE DAY AFTER it was signed...

Remember Pelosi saying "WE have to pass it so you can find out what's in it."?...

Well since the poll you've selected from a year ago, we found out...

I'll go with three days ago...

Health Care Law
54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

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While a majority of voters nationwide continue to favor repeal of the national health care law, those who have health insurance don’t think it’s very likely they will have to change their coverage.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows that 54% favor repeal of the law, including 44% who Strongly Favor repeal. Thirty-nine percent (39%) oppose repeal of the law, including 31% who are Strongly Opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Last week, 53% favored repeal of the health care law. Support for repeal has ranged from a low of 50% to a high of 63% since Democrats in Congress passed it a year ago.

But among voters who have health insurance, just 35% think passage of the law is at least somewhat likely to force them to change their coverage. That’s just one point above the lowest level measured since tracking began. Fifty-one percent (51%) don’t think that will be the case, while 13% more are not sure. The new findings include 20% who think it’s Very Likely they will be forced to change coverage and 23% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on March 4-5, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of insured voters rate their coverage as good or excellent, while just four percent (4%) rate their coverage as poor. Those results have shifted little over the past year.

Fifty-two percent (52%) of insured Republican voters think the plan is likely to force them to change coverage, but only 19% of insured Democrats agree. Thirty-four percent (34%) of voters not affiliated with either major political party think it’s likely their insurance will have to change.

Fifty-five percent (55%) of all voters believe the law will be bad for the country, while 33% say it will be good for the nation. Since its passage, 48% to 56% of voters have said the law will be bad for America.

The Political Class remains strongly supportive of the health care measure, while Mainstream voters oppose it just as strongly.

Coyote · #15 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

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Moved the op-ed to...ummmm..."OP-Ed"...

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Cool. I'm not always sure where to post stuff.

Coyote · #16 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rush L

No Bias there...

The 2010 election victories centered around the repeal of Big Government. There is only one way to kill the growth of government, defund it. The people have spoken and now congress has a job to do whether it is in DC or Madison. Get the country's fiscal house in order so that we forgo a collapse.

The people have spoken:The Plum Line - Poll: Majorities support recall of two Wisconsin GOP senators and Polls Show Americans Support Union Bargaining Rights As State Battles Continue ... the Pubs must have gotten the wrong message.

I find this striking:

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Here is Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who sparked an old-fashioned national labor controversy by trying to break his state's public unions. His assertion that he's merely trying to achieve fiscal responsibility is belied by the fact that while rolling back government workers' collective bargaining rights itself saves no money, the tax cut he pushed through upon taking office costs an amount strikingly similar to this year's budget gap; and the fact that when the unions offered to accede to his budget demands in exchange for keeping their bargaining rights, the governor wouldn't accept that "yes" for an answer.

Tax cuts that will primarily favor the wealthy on the backs of working Americans. Yee haw. Nothing to do with the budget because...it's union busting plain and simple. Why pretend it's anything else like - God forbid - real budget work - cutting spending and raising revenue.

Gordon Shumway · #17 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyote

The people have spoken:The Plum Line - Poll: Majorities support recall of two Wisconsin GOP senators and Polls Show Americans Support Union Bargaining Rights As State Battles Continue ... the Pubs must have gotten the wrong message.

I find this striking:

Tax cuts that will primarily favor the wealthy on the backs of working Americans. Yee haw. Nothing to do with the budget because...it's union busting plain and simple. Why pretend it's anything else like - God forbid - real budget work - cutting spending and raising revenue.

hhhmmm...interesting...because...

Mitch Daniels; governor of Indiana; limited collective bargaining for Indiana public employees by executive order & privatized Indiana's toll road much to the chagrin of his opponents & somewhere along the way he balanced the state budget & won re-election in a landslide.

Behind collective bargaining debate, mixed experiences in the states

Indy.com | Post: Daniels re-elected in landslide | Indianapolis, Indiana

http://www.bizvoicemagazine.com/arch...AD-Daniels.pdf

Oftencold · #18 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:50 AM

Actually, I think that this is happening early enough for it to give the Republicans a big boos come election time.

"The Democrats ran away, the Republicans stood by their guns, the Unionists are thugs who've been restrained," that'll be the most likely meme to be recalled then I think.

winston53660 · #19 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Your poll is from March of LAST year...ONE DAY AFTER it was signed...

Remember Pelosi saying "WE have to pass it so you can find out what's in it."?...

Well since the poll you've selected from a year ago, we found out...

I'll go with three days ago...

Health Care Law
54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

It seems like "the people want congress doing other things right now though

Which one of the following do you think should be the highest priority for Congress right
now?

Reducing unemployment 48%
Reducing the budget deficit 28%
Changing the health care law 15%
Promoting green technology 3%

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cnredd · #20 (**permalink**) 03-10-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyote

Cool. I'm not always sure where to post stuff.

Not a problem...

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