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When each white person can honestly answer that question within themselves, they will have taken a huge step toward understanding why there is still the problems with race in this country.
When each person of any color can accept that he is okay, regardless of his color, because either God made him that way, or by merely the luck of the draw, but he vows to be the best he can be and NOT idenitfy with his race as the sole reason he can or cannot succeed, then we will have taken a huge step in race relations. I don't take on guilt for things that I had no power in creating, nor for the things I have not done. It is up to each individual to work out his/her issues no matter what they are. If there were no races, there would still be plenty of envy and hatred- it would just be blamed on something else.
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Let me ask you, do you wish you had been born black?

Most white people, if honest...would answer with a resounding NO!

At this point, you have to be totally honest with yourself and ask.... why not?
That's easy. Because I don't think being black is superior. I also don't think being white is superior. It would just be a lateral shift. Why would I wish something that would offer me no benefit? I don't wish I was born male. Does that mean I think men must be treated poorly and have it bad or that there's blatent and debilitating sexism toward men?? Of course not.
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When each person of any color can accept that he is okay, regardless of his color, because either God made him that way, or by merely the luck of the draw, but he vows to be the best he can be and NOT idenitfy with his race as the sole reason he can or cannot succeed, then we will have taken a huge step in race relations.
I totally agree.

What I don't agree with, is that there isn't still a huge bias toward blacks.



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I don't take on guilt for things that I had no power in creating, nor for the things I have not done. It is up to each individual to work out his/her issues no matter what they are. If there were no races, there would still be plenty of envy and hatred- it would just be blamed on something else.
That's easy to say, if whites didn't look down on you from the time you were old enough to walk and understand.


Here is a very famous experiment performed, that (excuse the pun ).....opened a lot of people's eyes.


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Jane Elliott, internationally known teacher, lecturer, diversity trainer, and recipient of the National Mental Health Association Award for Excellence in Education, exposes prejudice and bigotry for what it is, an irrational class system based upon purely arbitrary factors. And if you think this does not apply to you. . . you are in for a rude awakening.

In response to the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. over thirty years ago, Jane Elliott devised the controversial and startling, "Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes" exercise. This, now famous, exercise labels participants as inferior or superior based solely upon the color of their eyes and exposes them to the experience of being a minority. Everyone who is exposed to Jane Elliott's work, be it through a lecture, workshop, or video, is dramatically affected by it.


How many people watched the entire presentation of "Black in America" on CNN?

If you did, it would have been very hard not to have your eyes opened.

If you didn't....why not?


Here is another very sad commentary on how black children are perceived.......even by themselves.

Kids on Race (click here)

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That's easy. Because I don't think being black is superior. I also don't think being white is superior. It would just be a lateral shift.
Do you really think it would just be a "lateral shift?"

Click on my link above and you'll see that even black kids, at an early age....start to feel inferior.


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Why would I wish something that would offer me no benefit? I don't wish I was born male. Does that mean I think men must be treated poorly and have it bad or that there's blatent and debilitating sexism toward men?? Of course not.
Let me ask you something, have you experienced times in your life where you were treated inferior by someone in power...just because you're a female?

If not, I think you have been very fortunate.

If you have, then multiply that....... if you had been a black woman.

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That would be the ideal scenario.

However, we are not even close yet and that is why programs like affirmative action and preferences in certain aspects of our society........ are still needed.
I can tell you what the reality of affirmative action is, and the lingering problem it is causing still. The civil rights movement is around 50 years old now. If we are still hiring based on race and other minority preferences, then what we are in effect saying, as a society, is "You can't cut it on your own merits. You need special treatment because you are inferior". We are reinforcing the fears in minority communities that they aren't really considered equal by our very actions of treating them as though they need special treatment. There was a time and place for getting the nation moving in that direction, but that time is far in the past. If one wants to be equal, he must feel equal and know that he is, not have a knawing fear that he really only got the job because he's __________ (fill in the blank with your minority group of choice).
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Let me ask you something, have you experienced times in your life where you were treated inferior by someone in power...just because you're a female?
A few. And it's never stopped me.

And?
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I can tell you what the reality of affirmative action is, and the lingering problem it is causing still. The civil rights movement is around 50 years old now. If we are still hiring based on race and other minority preferences, then what we are in effect saying, as a society, is "You can't cut it on your own merits. You need special treatment because you are inferior". We are reinforcing the fears in minority communities that they aren't really considered equal by our very actions of treating them as though they need special treatment. There was a time and place for getting the nation moving in that direction, but that time is far in the past. If one wants to be equal, he must feel equal and know that he is, not have a knawing fear that he really only got the job because he's __________ (fill in the blank with your minority group of choice).
So you don't think that there still exists an institutional prejudice toward blacks?

Did you by any chance look at my kids link above?

After watching........how do you explain it?

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I totally agree.

What I don't agree with, is that there isn't still a huge bias toward blacks.
Do you have some examples? There is no longer institutionalized racism, meaning discriminating state/corporate policies based on race - that I'm aware of. We elected the first black President. It isn't 1950 any more.

A bias can be found against everyone in some fashion; fat people, ugly people, red-heads who wear orange socks on Tuesdays, you name it. Bias will always exist.

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That's easy to say, if whites didn't look down on you from the time you were old enough to walk and understand.

Here is a very famous experiment performed, that (excuse the pun ).....opened a lot of people's eyes.

Blue Eyes, Brown Eyes (click here)

How many people watched the entire presentation of "Black in America" on CNN?

If you did, it would have been very hard not to have your eyes opened.

If you didn't....why not?


Here is another very sad commentary on how black children are perceived.......even by themselves.

Kids on Race (click here)

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I haven't made anyone feel bad and I am guilty of nothing. That's why the phrase 'white guilt' was so perplexing to me. The entire premise behind it isn't reality-based.
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So you don't think that there still exists an institutional prejudice toward blacks?
Institutional? No.
Individual? Of course. There's individual racism against all races, and individual sexism against both genders.

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Did you by any chance look at my kids link above?

After watching........how do you explain it?

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Easily. Kids are going to be inclined to find the familiar to be 'good' and the unfamiliar to be 'bad'. Whatever is more like them is 'good' and less like them is 'bad'.
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Institutional? No.
Individual? Of course. There's individual racism against all races, and individual sexism against both genders.
I meant "institutional" in this case.......... to mean by large blocks of companies and those in power.

I was just in Myrtle Beach and went to a show at the Alabama Theater.

The only black person, including the 500+ audience and all of the ushers/workers/everyone else....was one entertainer (out of about 30).

Do you really think that was just a coincidence?

I don't.


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Easily. Kids are going to be inclined to find the familiar to be 'good' and the unfamiliar to be 'bad'. Whatever is more like them is 'good' and less like them is 'bad'.
Did you really watch it?

Because if you did, your explanation doesn't work for those black kids who also picked white kids as "being smarter."

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