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Old 12-23-2007, 06:26 PM
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Here's what you're missing redd, and what makes your statements incorrect...

THOUSANDS were charged during that era. They summise in the tens of thousands, since a large majority were put to the ax just because of sexual orientation or being 'sexually permiscouis'. Just being accused/suspected resulted in people losing their jobs, their homes, and destroying their lives. But the CONSERVATIVE number is in the thousands.

Out of those thousands of people falsely accused and set upon, only a handful were guilty of anything...And even the administration says that of that handful, it's still questionable, because the accussers weren't made public, so they couldn't be requestioned to determine IF what they said happened actually happened...

Pretty much anyone and everyone could be accused and tried for suspicion of being a communist, which is exactly what happened. And those who accused you of suspected communistic acts? Their identities were kept hidden and unrecorded...They weren't even called upon to testify against those they accused.

So, out of thousands of lives destroyed, perhaps 5-6 'might' be guilty...The accusers were never questioned legally, thus assuring no way for the accused to defend themselves. That defines a witchhunt, period.

Even Truman himself, was against those trials and boards. Because the only reason those thousands of innocents were put into those positions, was because they didn't 'conform' to public ideals...

Here's some famous words by Truman during that error that sums up what was happening...'In a free country, we punish men for the crimes they commit, but never for the opinions they have.'
OK...NOW what you're missing...

Most of these things didn't have anything to do with McCarthy...He's only accredited...falsely...

Go read up on the HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee), which was started 12 years before McCarthy was even a Senator, of how the FBI used COINTELPRO...
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So, out of thousands of lives destroyed, perhaps 5-6 'might' be guilty...
Let's not forget - they were "guilty" of political ideology - something NOT illegal (supposedly) in this country
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Let's not forget - they were "guilty" of political ideology - something NOT illegal (supposedly) in this country
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies

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Accused of creating a bogus Red Scare and smearing countless innocent victims in a five-year reign of terror, Senator Joseph McCarthy is universally remembered as a demagogue, a bully, and a liar. History has judged him such a loathsome figure that even today, a half century after his death, his name remains synonymous with witch hunts.

But that conventional image is all wrong, as veteran journalist and author M. Stanton Evans reveals in this groundbreaking book. The long-awaited Blacklisted by History, based on six years of intensive research, dismantles the myths surrounding Joe McCarthy and his campaign to unmask Communists, Soviet agents, and flagrant loyalty risks working within the U.S. government. Evans’s revelations completely overturn our understanding of McCarthy, McCarthyism, and the Cold War.

Drawing on primary sources—including never-before-published government records and FBI files, as well as recent research gleaned from Soviet archives and intercepted transmissions between Moscow spymasters and their agents in the United States—Evans presents irrefutable evidence of a relentless Communist drive to penetrate our government, influence its policies, and steal its secrets. Most shocking of all, he shows that U.S. officials supposedly guarding against this danger not only let it happen but actively covered up the penetration. All of this was precisely as Joe McCarthy contended.

Blacklisted by History shows, for instance, that the FBI knew as early as 1942 that J. Robert Oppenheimer, the director of the atomic bomb project, had been identified by Communist leaders as a party member; that high-level U.S. officials were warned that Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy almost a decade before the Hiss case became a public scandal; that a cabal of White House, Justice Department, and State Department officials lied about and covered up the Amerasia spy case; and that the State Department had been heavily penetrated by Communists and Soviet agents before McCarthy came on the scene.

Evans also shows that practically everything we’ve been told about McCarthy is false, including conventional treatment of the famous 1950 speech at Wheeling, West Virginia, that launched the McCarthy era (“I have here in my hand . . .”), the Senate hearings that casually dismissed his charges, the matter of leading McCarthy suspect Owen Lattimore, the Annie Lee Moss case, the Army-McCarthy hearings, and much more.

In the end, Senator McCarthy was censured by his colleagues and condemned by the press and historians. But as Evans writes, “The real Joe McCarthy has vanished into the mists of fable and recycled error, so that it takes the equivalent of a dragnet search to find him.” Blacklisted by History provides the first accurate account of what McCarthy did and, more broadly, what happened to America during the Cold War. It is a revealing exposé of the forces that distorted our national policy in that conflict and our understanding of its history since.
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Let's not forget - they were "guilty" of political ideology - something NOT illegal (supposedly) in this country
That's why I included Truman's quote. He hit the nail on top of the head, of what was going on during that era.
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OK...NOW what you're missing...

Most of these things didn't have anything to do with McCarthy...He's only accredited...falsely...

Go read up on the HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee), which was started 12 years before McCarthy was even a Senator, of how the FBI used COINTELPRO...

And again redd...You are completely missing what was being talked about in the first place...Which is what everyone here is trying to point out to you and keeps going over your head.

No one was talking about the man...We were talking about the ERA! The era known as 'THE McCarthy Era'...'The McCarthy Trials'...'The Second Red Scare'...No matter what history says of the man himself, that time period IS titled and accredited with his name irregardlessly.

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... one guy wrote a book - and that is supposed to dismiss half a century of research, reporting and study on the issue?

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Go easy, folks. Ann Whats-her-name has been redoing the history of McCarthy lately in her column.
It is really unfortunate that younger people have to rely on double speakers for their history.
I shake my head at how fortunate I was to be raised by my mother's generation instead of my generation.
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Go easy, folks. Ann Whats-her-name has been redoing the history of McCarthy lately in her column.
It is really unfortunate that younger people have to rely on double speakers for their history.
I shake my head at how fortunate I was to be raised by my mother's generation instead of my generation.
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IF the McCarthy hearings WERE a witch hunt, I would've been against them...

But they weren't, and Mccarthy was justified in his actions...
?!?!?!?!! What?!!!

If McCarthy was justified in his actions, then so was the Spanish Inquisition.
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So, out of thousands of lives destroyed, perhaps 5-6 'might' be guilty...The accusers were never questioned legally, thus assuring no way for the accused to defend themselves. That defines a witchhunt, period.'
For just a sec, I thought the subject had changed to Guantanamo.
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