Rocky road ahead for campaign finance - Page 2

Spencer Collins · #11 (**permalink**) 07-18-2010, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

By supporting this bill you ADVOCATE unions from being exempt from the same campaign regulations corporations are..."Both sides are doing something I believe is wrong, but it's OK to regulate one perceived side of the aisle and let the other perceived side slide unfettered because it benefits my candidates politically."....

I find that horrible legislation and am confused as all hell why you (or anyone) would want something like this passed...

It was my impression from the OP that unions were not exempt! If unions are indeed exempt,I would (oppose) this legislation.

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The legislation would require corporations,

labor unions, trade associations and advocacy groups to publicly disclose financing of TV ads or mass mailings during the closing months of a political campaign. Foreign-controlled corporations and major government contractors would also be barred from paying for such political activities.

And...

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Section 211 -

Requires corporations, labor organizations, tax-exempt charitable organizations, and political organizations other than political committees (covered organizations) to include specified additional information in reports on independent expenditures of at least $10,000, including certain actual or deemed transfers of money to other persons, but excluding amounts paid from separate segregated funds as well as amounts designated for specified campaign-related activities.

H.R. 5175 - Summary: Democracy is Strengthened by Casting Light on Spending in Elections Act (GovTrack.us)

I remain unconvinced that labor unions are exempt................

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cnredd · #12 (**permalink**) 07-18-2010, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

It was my impression from the OP that unions were not exempt! If unions are indeed exempt,I would (oppose) this legislation.

When I wrote my last post, I was REALLY hoping you'd reply with this...

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

I remain unconvinced that labor unions are exempt................

On certain parts, no...

...but on OTHERS...

You point out the ONE PART that deals with labor...But if you look at EVERY OTHER SECTION, you'll find it does NOT...

You can't sit there and say both sides are treated equally when one side gets hit with ten sections of a bill and the other side gets hit with one...

Here's an example...

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Section 102 -
Applies the ban on contributions and expenditures by foreign nationals to foreign-controlled domestic corporations. Requires the highest ranking official of a corporation, before making any contribution, donation, expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication in connection with a federal election, to file a certification with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), if this has not been done already, that the corporation is not prohibited from carrying out such activity

This says nothing about foreign nationals giving millions to unions in an attempt to legislate or campaign from overseas...Corporations are banned from it, but unions aren't...The SEIU (The Service Employees INTERNATIONAL Union) is exempt...

You don't find anything wrong with the SEIU...which admitted to spending over SIXTY-MILLION DOLLARS FOR OBAMA...not having to file with the FEC?...

Do you REALLY want a bill passed that forces the compny executive from Nissan to file if his company wants to spend $1 million but the unions don't have to even if one of them spends 60 times as much?...

MrLiberty · #13 (**permalink**) 07-18-2010, 06:50 AM

I just appalled that politics is being play here.

AZRWinger · #14 (**permalink**) 07-19-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

You can't sit there and say both sides are treated equally when one side gets hit with ten sections of a bill and the other side gets hit with one...

Here's an example...

This says nothing about foreign nationals giving millions to unions in an attempt to legislate or campaign from overseas...Corporations are banned from it, but unions aren't...The SEIU (The Service Employees INTERNATIONAL Union) is exempt...

You don't find anything wrong with the SEIU...which admitted to spending over SIXTY-MILLION DOLLARS FOR OBAMA...not having to file with the FEC?...

Do you REALLY want a bill passed that forces the compny executive from Nissan to file if his company wants to spend $1 million but the unions don't have to even if one of them spends 60 times as much?...

Don't forget the NRA is also excluded and there is a bunch of qualifiers that would muzzle organizations like the tea party without a 10-year history. I believe Republicans would support a bill that increased disclosure requirements without playing favorites by political consideration.

Anyone, domestic, ought to be able to write a check for any amount to support the candidate of their choice as long as they make a full disclosure thay have done so.

I find it amusing the same President who eschewed public financing in favor of private donations should be solemning issuing pronouncements in favor of supposedly getting special interest money out of politics.

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