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Old 11-26-2009, 01:11 PM
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If you agree with me that these prisoners are enemy combatants why do you not support trying them by military tribunal as has been done for the last 220 years? Obama can't give a logical reason for trying them in New York. Maybe you can.
Because they aren't representatives of a nation, the don't count as enemy combatants under the law. That's the real problem. We could get a way with taking action on foreign soil in the heat of battle, but we can't get away with bringing them back to US possession and holding them without charge.

This isn't a war in the sense that it's a state versus a state and so the rules for police actions apply. In that sense, the civilian courts end up sorting a great deal of it out.
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Old 11-26-2009, 11:50 PM
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IF it's a war, then we don't show compassion. We win. They didn't show compassion in the 9/11 attacks. Bringing them back to American facilities only prolongs the problem.
The "length" of the "problem" is not our making nor is it under our control. I would say however that we sure found a GREAT solution in all aspects except for idiot progressives wanting to complain and then make EVERYTHING about it worse with their bass ackwards "solutions".

Where we choose to put our "detention facilities" has no "illegalities" UNTIL you bring combatants into a STATE of our Union. I suggested perhaps "one of the poles" but you progressives would howl even louder about that than you do about Gitmo. Perhaps in orbit?
You have suggested that we should just kill them "there". Well then, When did they get that "field evaluation" or "judicial review" as you progressives insist. And I ask again, Just burn them or put a bullet in their head to "finish them"? And what do we do with the cowards waving a white flag?
There are massive chasms in your logic.
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Old 11-27-2009, 12:13 AM
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I want us to fight a war if we're going to fight a war or we should quit calling it a f*cking war! If we aren't going to treat it like a war it's nothing but a police action and where to the results of police actions get tried? Civilian courts.

As far as Kosovo is concerned there were no line of fire casualties. There wasn't a need for it. We went in and secured the country and performed surgical strikes. The same has not been true with Iran or Afghanistan.

The American public has lost the will to win because for the 7 years the war went on we had a leader that was unwilling to win. Period.

And now we're stuck with his mess and cleaning up his failed police action. I'm going to refuse to call them wars from now on because they weren't fought as a war.
Funny I could have sworn that it was our military over there not our cops and detectives.

You STILL got that Kosovo stuff backwards. We did NOT send in ANY troops until the war was over. Heck we even repainted our jets so that they were "NOT AMERICAN" while they were bombing CIVILIAN targets.

Now as for the WARS in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have not lost our "will to win". We fought we WON. It is you progressives that INSISTED that we had to stay to "fix it". Somehow we did manage to "mostly fix" Iraq (but with our "new plan" it will start deteriorating rapidly quite soon) (also because of Iran's proximity and proclivities it was a good idea to stay). The "war" did not "go on for seven years". The EXTRA crap for you progressives has COST US DEARLY for seven years. We could have quite easily just "killed anything in our way" for this entire time but no we LIMITED ourselves.
Now that the wars are over and we want to "leave" could you please explain to me WHY the UN hasn't moved in and kept things under control? They are inept, just like ALL progressive institutions and ideas.
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Because they aren't representatives of a nation, the don't count as enemy combatants under the law. That's the real problem. We could get a way with taking action on foreign soil in the heat of battle, but we can't get away with bringing them back to US possession and holding them without charge.

This isn't a war in the sense that it's a state versus a state and so the rules for police actions apply. In that sense, the civilian courts end up sorting a great deal of it out.
YOU keep saying it.
we can't get away with bringing them back to US
So YOU do understand that what Obama wants to do IS WRONG.
Where your "murkiness" befuddles you is the EXTRA CRAP you add to the sentence after it.
"Where" we detain them matters not except for within a State of our Union. Other wise we could not even keep them on a ship or a plane....duh. US possession.

Without a "charge".
Sure just pretend that the soldier that they shot at or set the bombs for didn't have the authority to either kill them or take them prisoner. Pretend that great research was not used to find out "WHO" planned massive attacks or that they did not confess (brag). Why are you so anxious to KILL people that are obviously in no position to do us harm. Suppose they were to "change their hearts" and decide that maybe America is not the big Satan after all?

Excuse me.........you said....
"This isn't a war in the sense that it's a state versus a state and so the rules for police actions apply. In that sense, the civilian courts end up sorting a great deal of it out."
The "rules for police actions"........Simply put, ?????????????????????? WTF are they. Ain't no such animal.
However it is a war of State versus person or persons who are at war against that state. See OUR LAWS do not apply "there" so who's police have jurisdiction? Our court cannot overstep it's authority. Your police analogy does not hold.

An enemy combatant is not determined by law. It is determined by their ACTIONS. Just like with the Barbary Pirates we could seize them, kill them, question them, military court them......anything we wanted to do and guess what they didn't even have a country to ask an ambassador to help them.....just like modern day terrorists. There are actually a great many similarities.
As we kill and capture Somali Pirates are we really going to bring each and every one to America and give them expensive trials, house them for a few years and then release them. Sounds like a life style improvement, they're gonna be lining up.

The Bush/Cheney legal team was and is one of the smartest. They did think this through and you guys have FOUGHT them EVERY step of the way. WHY?
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:23 PM
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The condition of the facility is irrelevant. The effects of keeping people at the facility alive allows them to be reasons to continue the fight. If they died on the battlefield we wouldn't have this issue. An assertion you've yet to correct.
Just how stupid are you? Sorry I can't grasp your logic... Your not stupid but thatis the first word that came to mind...

You think they will stop fighting the USA if we close it?

Man some of you people need your head opened and filled with anything but the foolishness that it contains...

So your suggesting we take no POW's. Just kill them and be done.

That having the elder male or younger brother, cousin etc., die and the fact we support Israel is what motivates them the most... Oh and the HATE they have for any outsider yes the HATE is the worst part of it.

Truly a real nice religion when that much HATE is allowed by the entire body of the religion...

Gee I am sorry as I was about to close this thread out I re-read the title. A bit off topic aren't we.... So I shall just unsubscribe for this Palin at Ft. Bragg thread.
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