Healthcare Bill Confusing To Democrats..... - Page 2

mlurp · #11 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 06:49 PM

Thanks Billo for making it plain...

So there is some raping of America going on. But not only in this HC bill or what we have today, right now.

Any suggestions on how we fix what we have or how to do a complete new HC program?.

Billo_Really · #12 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

Thanks Billo for making it plain...

So there is some raping of America going on. But not only in this HC bill or what we have today, right now.

Any suggestions on how we fix what we have or how to do a complete new HC program?.

This is what I'd like to see:

Have the bill with the public option
Make pre-conditions illegal
Do not make health care mandatory
Take the money to run it from the defense budget
Rescind the agreement with pharmacuticals and put a cap on how much they can charge for prescriptions
And run it like Medicare and SSI, but as a different option to the "For-profit" health care insurance, not a replacement

After that, allow the competition in a capitolist system to do what it is designed to do, which will benefit all of us.

nursej007 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 02:18 AM

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(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Thomas Carper (D.-Del.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, told CNSNews.com that he does not “expect” to read the actual legislative language of the committee’s health care bill because it is “confusing” and that anyone who claims they are going to read it and understand it is fooling people.

“I don’t expect to actually read the legislative language because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I’ve ever read in my life,” Carper told CNSNews.com

Carper described the type of language the actual text of the bill would finally be drafted in as "arcane," "confusing," "hard stuff to understand," and "incomprehensible." He likened it to the "gibberish" used in credit card disclosure forms.

Last week, the Finance Committee considered an amendment offered by Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) that would have required the committee to post the full actual language of the proposed legislation online for at least 72 hours before holding a final committee vote on it. The committee defeated the amendment 13-10.

...Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), who also serves on the committee, said the descriptive language the committee is working with is not good enough because things can get slipped into the legislation unseen.

“The conceptual language is not good enough,” said Cornyn. “We’ve seen that there are side deals that have been cut, for example, with some special interest groups like the hospital association to hold them harmless from certain cuts that would impact how the CBO scores the bill or determines cost. So we need to know not only the conceptual language, we need to know the detailed legislative language, and we need to know what kind of secret deals have been cut on the side which would have an impact on how much this bill is going to cost and how it will affect health care in America.”

CNSNews.com - Finance Committee Democrat Won?t Read Text of Health Bill, Says Anyone Who Claims They?ll Understand It ?Is Trying to Pull the Wool Over Our Eyes?

Carper is someone who needs to be voted OUT!!

cnredd · #14 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nursej007

CNSNews.com - Finance Committee Democrat Won?t Read Text of Health Bill, Says Anyone Who Claims They?ll Understand It ?Is Trying to Pull the Wool Over Our Eyes?

Carper is someone who needs to be voted OUT!!

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mlurp · #15 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

This is what I'd like to see:

Have the bill with the public option
Make pre-conditions illegal
Do not make health care mandatory
Take the money to run it from the defense budget
Rescind the agreement with pharmacuticals and put a cap on how much they can charge for prescriptions
And run it like Medicare and SSI, but as a different option to the "For-profit" health care insurance, not a replacement

After that, allow the competition in a capitolist system to do what it is designed to do, which will benefit all of us.

So really your saying if I understand it correctly, that we need to fix the present system and not do a complete new HC Plan. Which is what I have been saying all along.
Thanks for pointing out the what might work concept...

My only disagreement is with the military budget being the only source for running it. I would prefer taking form several sources and a possible small tax hick in the future once we have all the population working again.

Billo_Really · #16 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

So really your saying if I understand it correctly, that we need to fix the present system and not do a complete new HC Plan. Which is what I have been saying all along.
Thanks for pointing out the what might work concept...

My only disagreement is with the military budget being the only source for running it. I would prefer taking form several sources and a possible small tax hick in the future once we have all the population working again.

How 'bout we pass a law that nationalizes all these campaign donations from corporation lobby groups. Take all that money and put it into one pot that acts as a trust fund for the single payer option. We could use the money to set up incentives for aquiring private insurance, instead of using public money.

What we really need to do, is put a stop to all this money going to elected officials from major corporations. How can they do something for our benefit if their being paid large sums of money to do the opposite?

Or just make the republican's pay for it as a way of saying they're sorry for Ronald Reagan.

mlurp · #17 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 03:37 PM

I agree that campaign donations need to stop. Damn if CBS or what ever station backs the POTUS they can have free time for those running for elections, more town halls (without gun or nut jobs) as more local news stations which are owned by the same ABC, NBC, CBS etc. devote time to thes emeetings by a quality summary without slants.

NO LOBBYIST period...It is a job that its time has come to an end.

No back room deals. gee Chi town and others would really have to come out into the light.

If America just finds a way to have elections without billions being spent the parties would lose a lot of control.

But GREAT for America.

pjohns · #18 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by off the porch

I am less concerned about doctors and those of us that have healthcare already getting in to see doctors as I am getting the people who have been shut out of healthcare for one reason or another.

It is not entirely clear (to me, anyway) just what this sentence is intended to imply. But if it is intended to mean that you are rather unconcerned with the ability of those with good healthcare insurance to continue to be able to see their chosen doctors, and to continue to have excellent coverage; and would prefer a more egalitarian system; then I would disagree, and very firmly.

off the porch · #19 (**permalink**) 10-03-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pjohns

It is not entirely clear (to me, anyway) just what this sentence is intended to imply. But if it is intended to mean that you are rather unconcerned with the ability of those with good healthcare insurance to continue to be able to see their chosen doctors, and to continue to have excellent coverage; and would prefer a more egalitarian system; then I would disagree, and very firmly.

Certainly not unconcerned in regards to those who have good healthcare now, but there should be little to no change in anyone seeing their chosen doctor when they need to. More concerned in getting those who need to see a doctor insured so they can suffer less and live healthier more productive lives.

Adept1 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-04-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

This is what I'd like to see:

Have the bill with the public option
Why should the government offer its own "insurance policy"? More than 60% of insurance companies are already NON-PROFIT as well as hospitals. To increase competition all that is necessary is to ALLOW it instead of outlawing it as is currently done.
Make pre-conditions illegal
And we should be allowed to purchase fire and flood insurance after the fact and car insurance after the accident too. If you already had insurance there could be NO precondition.
Do not make health care mandatory
Make up your mind do you want free society or free health care?
Take the money to run it from the defense budget
Defense is less than 20% of the fed budget and IS the CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED part.
Rescind the agreement with pharmacuticals and put a cap on how much they can charge for prescriptions
How do you suppose they get the billions of dollars necessary for the research and development of new drugs?
And run it like Medicare and SSI, but as a different option to the "For-profit" health care insurance, not a replacement
They are going BANKRUPT already not even including the half a trillion that will be "cut" from them for this plan

After that, allow the competition in a capitolist system to do what it is designed to do, which will benefit all of us.

In the fields of healthcare where the government and the insurance companies are not involved the costs have dropped 75% in the last ten years. Lasik and cosmetic.

Confused Democrats?
Obama Contradicts Himself on Health Care - WSJ.com

If you think you are an American try this one.
American Thinker: Medical Care is a Successful and Growing Industry, not a Liability

Great analogy for penetrating shallow minds. Hold you nose and learn some truth.
EIB Think Piece: ObamaFood

Get out your dictionary cause Tommy does use big words occasionally, (he presupposes his readers intelligence) maybe you can understand it anyway.
Thomas Sowell : Listening to a Liar: Part II - Townhall.com

Here's another shot at pretending you comprehend intelligent discussion.
Lott's Numbers: Obama's Top 2 Most Outrageous Health Care Myths - FOXNews.com

Now if you can find ANY untruths or misleading information in ANY of these articles please bring them to my attention because I do so want all the healthy working people competing with me when I get my healthcare provided to me for free by my government now that I am disabled and can't buy my own. Actually I am not on disability yet it takes quite a while to get it....I am still using healthcare my wife pays for from her workplace.

Oh yea part one in case you liked part two
http://townhall.com/columnists/Thoma...ning_to_a_liar

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