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Old 08-19-2009, 03:11 AM
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I still haven't seen anyone who can tell me what private insurance brings to the table other then costs. And the main argument is fear of our government. If you give up that defense there is nothing that anyone can point to. Doesn't that tell you something?
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That the fear of government control is greater than the fear of Obama's enemies of the week...private insurers...
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Old 08-19-2009, 03:17 AM
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Yes...

That the fear of government control is greater than the fear of Obama's enemies of the week...private insurers...
I haven't been following what Obama has said. I was just watching Weiner this morning and he made a great deal od sense to me. So lets not go the same old attack Obama route. I was making a serious point that the insurers are not looking out for anyone but themselves. And with my recent visit to Australia. I asked a lot of questions as to how they liked their system. Not one complaint. Not one. So I am simply trying to cut through the fear mongering and death panels. And Obama attacks. Put that stuff aside and look at what I am saying. Nobody including you have given an answer as to what value the insurance companies bring. But we talk about everything else under the sun. Can we stay on point a minute?
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Old 08-19-2009, 03:25 AM
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I just realized I have an answer myself to the question. Insurance jobs.
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I haven't been following what Obama has said. I was just watching Weiner this morning and he made a great deal od sense to me. So lets not go the same old attack Obama route.
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Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) returned to the ObamaCare battle on MS-NBC’s Morning Joe today, preaching the public-plan gospel just as he did yesterday on CNBC. However, this time, Joe Scarborough goaded Weiner into a little more honesty than he’s offered on the effort to “reform” health care. Declaring that “health care is not a commodity,” Weiner says his aim is to eliminate all private insurance — which is why he will not yield on the public-plan option:

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S: It sounds like you’re saying you think there is no need for us to have private insurance in health care.

W: I’ve asked you three times. What is their value? What are they bringing to the deal?

S: Again… I’m astounded by your question. It sounds like you’re suggesting that there’s no need to have a country that’s run on free market principles.

W: Time out. Let’s focus on one thing at a time. This isn’t a commodity, Joe. Health care isn’t a commodity.

S: You’re saying that health care is different than everything else.

W: Health care is not a commodity.

S: But you are making the conservatives’ point. You are making the point of the people at the town hall meetings who say this is Barack Obama’s opportunity to get rid of private health care and turn it completely over to the government. I’m sitting here stunned, saying Oh My God, you’re making the point of the health care protesters.

W: If Barack Obama doesn’t want to do it, I want to do it
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While you see it as something that "makes sense", all I see is someone who wants a complete government takeover...

If that makes sense to you, I suggest you go live in 1920s Soviet Union where you'll feel more comfortable...

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I was making a serious point that the insurers are not looking out for anyone but themselves.
As compared to what other occupation?...

Car salesmen DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

Construction workers DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

Coal miners DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

You're just following Obama's lead...Create an enemy...
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Old 08-19-2009, 03:38 AM
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The difference is that it isn't a commodity. Again you went right back to fear of government. You can't help it. That fear is costing us trillions of dollars that would be better spent on the economy at large. And health insurance is out of control. You bring up 1920's soviet union. I bring up 21st century Australia. Say soviet you get instant fear. Again its fear of government that keeps people stuck in this nutty system.
You use the term "Complete Government Control" Why do you do that. I am talking about universal coverage wharer the government simply does that medical funding and regulation oversight. Not government medicine or Doctors or hospitals. Just handling the funsing. The amount saved by eliminating the profit margin would save us all trillions.
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While you see it as something that "makes sense", all I see is someone who wants a complete government takeover...

If that makes sense to you, I suggest you go live in 1920s Soviet Union where you'll feel more comfortable...

As compared to what other occupation?...

Car salesmen DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

Construction workers DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

Coal miners DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

You're just following Obama's lead...Create an enemy...
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Read on...

While you see it as something that "makes sense", all I see is someone who wants a complete government takeover...

If that makes sense to you, I suggest you go live in 1920s Soviet Union where you'll feel more comfortable...

As compared to what other occupation?...

Car salesmen DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

Construction workers DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

Coal miners DON'T look out for anyone but themselves?...

You're just following Obama's lead...Create an enemy...


A car salesmen and a carpenter and a coalminer have to perform a service that you chose to buy. I don't have a choice. And the insurance companies know it. They don't do anything. And wasn't that the original question. What do they bring? Added costs.
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The difference is that it isn't a commodity. Again you went right back to fear of government. You can't help it. That fear is costing us trillions of dollars that would be better spent on the economy at large.
Bullsh*t!...

You can't name anything that worked when the government took control of it...AND cost the taxpayers...

Post Office swmming in money?...

How about Amtrak? (Federal funded for 30+ years)...

How's those Social Security and Medicare coffers lookin'?...

I fear the government because their track record is 0-for-EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER TOUCHED...

But you, for some unrealistic reason, have faith in a lifetime .000 hitter...
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Why is it that if we have the same benefits either way do you think adding the profits on top of everything else makes it better. I am not talking about taking a successful model and handing it over to the government. I am talking about taking a out of control overpriced health care system and taking a huge amount of the costs out. I don't care if they create a outside government entity as long as we take the for profit portion out and cover everyone. With preexisting issues. With the possibility of portability so you don't have to stay chained to one job for the benefits. You know if you thought about the benefits of a universal health care system it would far out weigh the negatives. The model we have isn't successful except if we keep raising our premiums. So what is the difference with a government plan. You still have to increase funding on occasion. Like with the postal system. They have to raise postal costs. So what is the difference really? Its not as though the current insurance system is sustainable.
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Bullsh*t!...

You can't name anything that worked when the government took control of it...AND cost the taxpayers...

Post Office swmming in money?...

How about Amtrak? (Federal funded for 30+ years)...

How's those Social Security and Medicare coffers lookin'?...

I fear the government because their track record is 0-for-EVERYTHING THEY'VE EVER TOUCHED...

But you, for some unrealistic reason, have faith in a lifetime .000 hitter...
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I watched congressman Weiner this morning ask a simple question that stopped the debate cold. Nobody could answer it. So I thought I would ask it hear and see if anyone had a good answer.

What do private health insurance companies bring to the health care system besides added costs and restrictions?
Now, you are on the very verge of a personal revelation. I expect that you'll recoil of course.

Substitute the term "health insurance companies" with the word "government" and answer the new question.

Next, replace the term "health care system" with any major function of society involving money.

If you are diligent, you should be a new man in no time at all!

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Again an attack on government as a response to a question that had nothing to do with government. Do you have an answer to the original question?
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Now, you are on the very verge of a personal revelation. I expect that you'll recoil of course.

Substitute the term "health insurance companies" with the word "government" and answer the new question.

Next, replace the term "health care system" with any major function of society involving money.

If you are diligent, you should be a new man in no time at all!

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