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Old 04-04-2009, 01:59 AM
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Q:..Is Congress creating a mandatory public service system? Are participants not allowed to go to church? Really needing an article from you guys on this new proposed legislation H.R. 1388 (GIVE Act). I have been getting all kinds of e-mails from people claiming that bill calls for mandatory service and in violation of our 13th amendment , and that I should call my congressman and tell them that this bill is modern day slavery. I have also received e-mails saying that service would still be voluntary and that the bill is just expanding current volunteer opportunities. I have read portions of the bill that I could find and am unable to tell exactly what the bill is calling for (mandatory vs. volunteer service?). There is a lot of confusion out there right now regarding this very important legislation and was hoping you guys could shed some light.

A:..The national service bill does not mandate that youth must participate nor does it forbid anyone who does participate from going to church...We have received several inquiries about this bill, which has passed both the House and Senate with significant bipartisan support. Some e-mails and conservative Web sites say it requires the government to draw up plans for a “mandatory service requirement for all able young people.” Others say the bill forbids participants from attending church.

These claims are false. Neither the House-passed bill nor the Senate-passed version says these things.

FactCheck.org: Is Congress creating a mandatory public service system? Are participants not allowed to go to church?
I hope we can put this BS to rest..
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From factcheck source above...

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Some Internet postings claim the bill says the government must come up with plans for a “mandatory service requirement for all able young people,” but that phrase is nowhere to be found in either the House-passed bill or the Senate version.
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Between being first officially "reported" to the House and being voted on by the full House, bill managers stripped one whole section of the measure that created a Congressional Commission on Civil Service, thus removing the section that contained the language cited above concerning "a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people" and a possible requirement for "all individuals in the United States" to perform such service. The section could be restored during the Senate-House conference committee meeting. A new, separate bill containing that language has since been introduced in the House.
Factcheck does report that this was once in there, but they wave it off saying it was just a commission...It should not be disposed of lightly...

What factcheck does NOT tell you is that the commission would be analyzing a direct violation of the 14th amendment...

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Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
So the simple question is "What dumbf*ck would put in legislation forming a commission to investigate something that's clearly unconstitutional if it were implemented?"...

Well all you have to do is go back in gistory to the Obama campaign to see that he actually did use the word "require" on his own website before it was whitewashed...

And you also have Rahm Emanual revealing how the American should be enlisted to serve...

When Obama calls on service using equirements, Emanual writing how Americans should be enlisted, and then a commission to investigate manadatory service gets introduced in the bill, factcheck saying "It's not in writing yet" is not going to alleviate any fears of the people that see what the plan is...
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Don't worry, Nobody is going to make anyone get off their fat asses.

This is the country where everything is done for you. Not with you.
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Don't worry, Nobody is going to make anyone get off their fat asses.

This is the country where everything is done for you. Not with you.
Far from it...

The US is the most charitable country on earth...both to themselves and with the rest of the world...

Nobody is saying that charity is not a good endeavor...The problem is FORCED charity...

If Bill Gates wanted to donate any time or money OF HIS OWN ACCORD, that's commendable...

But if the government forces him to do so using legislation, then that's taxation without representation, which is blatantly unconstitutional...I don't care if it was $1B or 1 dime...

Don't justify the ends while hiding the means...
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I love this bit of BS

bill managers stripped one whole section of the measure that created a Congressional Commission on Civil Service, thus removing the section that contained the language cited above concerning "a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people" and a possible requirement for "all individuals in the United States" to perform such service.


Did they just make this up completely? Or can you show me some proposed legislation?
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Lot's of things in "proposed" legislation never make it to the floor for a vote. I'm sure with a little research,one could find embarrassing things on both sides of the aisle..

I think "work" camps are way down the road and are more a product of fascism.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." ~ Sinclair Lewis....
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