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The Democrats are now in a rush to push through their 1.7 trillion dollar spending package.

This includes such very important matters as studying just how to construct bee-friendly highways. (Okay, only 300 million goes to this--a tiny proportion of the total--but this is just emblematic of the pork here.)

And retiring Sen. Richard Shelby (yes, a Republican--the GOP is hardly guiltless here) is one of the worst sinners. (After all, just how might the voters hold to account a senator who plans to retire shortly, anyway?)

But this is the real point: The voters made it clear, in November, that they embrace the values of less spending--which is typically associated with the GOP (except, of course, for those politicians who are soon retiring).

Yet many Democratic House members wish to circumvent the will of the voters, and push their priorities before January 3, when control of the House will change hands.

Does anyone else find this to be incredibly sleazy?
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The Democrats are now in a rush to push through their 1.7 trillion dollar spending package.

This includes such very important matters as studying just how to construct bee-friendly highways. (Okay, only 300 million goes to this--a tiny proportion of the total--but this is just emblematic of the pork here.)

And retiring Sen. Richard Shelby (yes, a Republican--the GOP is hardly guiltless here) is one of the worst sinners. (After all, just how might the voters hold to account a senator who plans to retire shortly, anyway?)

But this is the real point: The voters made it clear, in November, that they embrace the values of less spending--which is typically associated with the GOP (except, of course, for those politicians who are soon retiring).

Yet many Democratic House members wish to circumvent the will of the voters, and push their priorities before January 3, when control of the House will change hands.

Does anyone else find this to be incredibly sleazy?
It always seems this false narrative gets repeated over and over that the Dems are the spenders and the right is conservative. Any honest investigation will show you that that is a canard. $7.8T was spent in 4 years under Trump. Anyone can examine the number and you will find that Reagan and GW Bush were two of the worse. That being said I agree that this is out of hand. Why ae we at the last minute? I wish we could penalize the congress for not doing their job.
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One other thing on this story. The two parties get by with a lot of this because they make sure we accuse each other. As long as the right blames the left they feel better. "It wasn't us" they say. In fact it was both parties and always is. The idea that one side is more fiscally responsible is pure BS. Good that PJohns pointed to both but the title of the thread is nonsense.
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Oh, here are some more gems:

$700 million for projects back home
$65.7 million for international-fisheries commissions
$65 million for "expenses associated with the restoration of Pacific salmon populations"

I wonder just how many Americans would approve of such expenditures...
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Oh, here are some more gems:

$700 million for projects back home
$65.7 million for international-fisheries commissions
$65 million for "expenses associated with the restoration of Pacific salmon populations"

I wonder just how many Americans would approve of such expenditures...
I have family that are commercial fishermen. Ya know what's funny? When farmers can't grow or sell their crops we bail them out. When this happens to fishermen they are screwed. No bailouts.

On this bill. It's always humorous how the right gets up in arms when a bill is passed under a Democrat President for $1.7T. Under Trump, the US debt increased by a total of $7 trillion and during his presidency Congress voted to increase the debt ceiling three times. $7T divided by 4 is??? Right, It's $1.75T. So I would say spare me your outrage. We are spending less under Biden than Trump.

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I have family that are commercial fishermen. Ya know what's funny? When farmers can't grow or sell their crops we bail them out. When this happens to fishermen they are screwed. No bailouts.

On this bill. It's always humorous how the right gets up in arms when a bill is passed under a Democrat President for $1.7T. Under Trump, the US debt increased by a total of $7 trillion and during his presidency Congress voted to increase the debt ceiling three times. $7T divided by 4 is??? Right, It's $1.75T. So I would say spare me your outrage. We are spending less under Biden than Trump.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/stat...ts-and-outlays
There you go again, Trump is not responsible for the giant omnibus pork barrel passed by Democrats and turncoat Republicans in the lame duck. With the 50 year veteran of DC in the WH and control of both Houses the Democrats eschewed the required budget and appropriations process in favor of an unprecedented power grab after they lost the House majority. But it's all good because Bad Orange man.
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There you go again, Trump is not responsible for the giant omnibus pork barrel passed by Democrats and turncoat Republicans in the lame duck. With the 50 year veteran of DC in the WH and control of both Houses the Democrats eschewed the required budget and appropriations process in favor of an unprecedented power grab after they lost the House majority. But it's all good because Bad Orange man.
So, Biden is responsible for the omnibus bill and Trump was not responsible for the trillions spent on his watch. Dang, That's handy as hell.
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So, Biden is responsible for the omnibus bill and Trump was not responsible for the trillions spent on his watch. Dang, That's handy as hell.
Absolutely Biden is responsible for the bills he signs, what a novel concept. Of course you'd rather natter on with your Trump hatred but Biden is President.
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"Researcher" may not realize it, but Trump spent a great deal of money rebuilding a military that Barack Obama had neglected--or worse.

Moreover, this was during a once-in-a-generation pandemic--which Joe Biden has proclaimed to now be "over."
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"Researcher" may not realize it, but Trump spent a great deal of money rebuilding a military that Barack Obama had neglected--or worse.

Moreover, this was during a once-in-a-generation pandemic--which Joe Biden has proclaimed to now be "over."
Funny

It’s true the Defense Department budgets passed under Trump — which total $2.9 trillion, in inflation-adjusted dollars, actually — have been larger than they were in the latter years of his predecessor. In the last four years under then-President Barack Obama, the defense budgets, in inflation-adjusted dollars, totaled $2.7 trillion, but the budgets in Obama’s first four years were nearly $3.3 trillion.

So, How did Trump rebuild the military again? I know he said that multiple times but he lies like breathing

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/tr...uipment-claim/

So, Obama spent more on the military but somehow Trump rebuilt the military on less money. Great!
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