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Old 05-25-2022, 12:32 PM
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Every country has "psychos," but only the US has the number and frequency of these sorts of mass killings. The problem is the ready availability of guns. We need to make it much, much harder for people to buy guns.
Would you feel better if he just ran them over with a vehicle or blew up the building with truck, fertilizer and diesel fuel? By your logic, you would accept those forms of a mass killing event.

Guns are not the problem, the availability of guns is not the problem. The problem is our culture and our reluctance to treat mental illness in ways that are actually effective. But when these things happen, right away people will try to villainize the gun instead of the psycho that perpetuated the crime.
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Would you feel better if he just ran them over with a vehicle or blew up the building with truck, fertilizer and diesel fuel? By your logic, you would accept those forms of a mass killing event.

Guns are not the problem, the availability of guns is not the problem. The problem is our culture and our reluctance to treat mental illness in ways that are actually effective. But when these things happen, right away people will try to villainize the gun instead of the psycho that perpetuated the crime.
That's just a nonsensical attempt to deflect from the real issue. There's a mass gun homicide virtually every day in this country. When was the last time someone committed mass murder by blowing up a building with fertilizer? Guns are and remain the easiest to obtain and most frequent weapon of mass murder in this country. This problem isn't going to be solved until we start limiting the ability of people to get those weapons.
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That's just a nonsensical attempt to deflect from the real issue.
No, that is exactly the issuel. If this psycho had shot up a few mailboxes or stop signs, we would not be talking about it. The fact is that he kill 21 innocent people. You want to focus on the tool he used and not the fact that he killed these people.


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There's a mass gun homicide virtually every day in this country.
No really, but keep trying.

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When was the last time someone committed mass murder by blowing up a building with fertilizer?
It doesn't matter. People are killed every day by knives. Let's ban them too.


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Guns are and remain the easiest to obtain and most frequent weapon of mass murder in this country.
So if we got rid of guns, the mass killings would stop? Try telling that to England and Austrailia.

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This problem isn't going to be solved until we start limiting the ability of people to get those weapons.
No, they will just use other methods. Why don't we start treating people with mental illnesses the way they need to be treated? Why does government law enforcement no follow up with people that have gone on to commit mass murder?

There are many factors involved with this issue but you have singled it down to the gun. Thanks for playing skippy.
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That's just a nonsensical attempt to deflect from the real issue. There's a mass gun homicide virtually every day in this country. When was the last time someone committed mass murder by blowing up a building with fertilizer? Guns are and remain the easiest to obtain and most frequent weapon of mass murder in this country. This problem isn't going to be solved until we start limiting the ability of people to get those weapons.
If I were a lawyer who thought like that, I would go into my ass-kicking room for a day long session of kicking my ass, for the stupid misuse of my education. Now, for the benefit of the armchair geniuses who want to ban firearms, so that psychos cannot do mass murder with them--

Those psychos will use creativity, and devise other ways of mayhem-causing. After a while, it will sink in to the same lunatics who banned guns that those new methods have to be banned as well. And the psychos will resort to other inventive methods of mass killing. And on and on.

Like it was explained, it is mainly the stupid culture that is practiced here and accepted by fools and liberals, but I repeat myself. Mental illness is looked upon as okie-dokie also.
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That's just a nonsensical attempt to deflect from the real issue. There's a mass gun homicide virtually every day in this country. When was the last time someone committed mass murder by blowing up a building with fertilizer? Guns are and remain the easiest to obtain and most frequent weapon of mass murder in this country. This problem isn't going to be solved until we start limiting the ability of people to get those weapons.
How many guns are in the US?

How many guns are used in 'mass murders'?

The math will tell the true story.

Repeating the same thing, time and time again, does not fix the problem. Guns do not act on their own volition. The lowest common denominator is a person. EVERY TIME.

Since people are killed by cars, every single day, in larger numbers than those murdered, maybe cars need to be restricted (even more) registered (they already are) with background checks (a form of that also already exists) and age restricted, too.

There, THAT will solve the problem!
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How many guns are in the US?

How many guns are used in 'mass murders'?

The math will tell the true story.

Repeating the same thing, time and time again, does not fix the problem. Guns do not act on their own volition. The lowest common denominator is a person. EVERY TIME.

Since people are killed by cars, every single day, in larger numbers than those murdered, maybe cars need to be restricted (even more) registered (they already are) with background checks (a form of that also already exists) and age restricted, too.

There, THAT will solve the problem!
We require that a person demonstrate proficiency and safe operating skills before we let them drive a car. And we require that they purchase insurance in case they cause any damage or injuries with their car. Why do we let people buy and own guns without those same basic protections?
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We require that a person demonstrate proficiency and safe operating skills before we let them drive a car. And we require that they purchase insurance in case they cause any damage or injuries with their car. Why do we let people buy and own guns without those same basic protections?


Demonstrating proficiency and safe operating skills, purchasing insurance, all those basic protections did exactly doodly squat in preventing dumbasses from causing vehicular deaths.

You cannot keep people from being ass holes. Get used to it. Fight crime. Shoot back. Keep your damned noses out of my business of car and gun ownership, among various things.
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Nationwide, there are over 2,000guncontrollaws on the books.

Despite that, these shooting still happen.

Obviously, gun control laws don't work. So, creating new ones is just repeating more of what we know doesn't work.

The very definition of insanity.

The only laws we haven't tried are one's where we outlaw the invitation to come in and without risk, kill helpless people. Such stupidity invites mass murderers to our schools, Civic meetings, and churches.

THIS IS GUN FREE ZONE

I would suggest it might be more responsible for mass killings over any other stupidity.
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We require that a person demonstrate proficiency and safe operating skills before we let them drive a car. And we require that they purchase insurance in case they cause any damage or injuries with their car. Why do we let people buy and own guns without those same basic protections?
It amazes me that anti-2nd amendment trash still try to compare owning cars to guns.

1.Owning a gun is a constitutional right.Driving a car on public property is a state granted privilege. So they state can impose all kinds of conditions for a state granted privileges.

2.Driver's license and insurance are only required for driving the car on public property. They are not required for buying the car. So if you walk into a car dealership with money upfront to buy a car and am means to take it home you will not need insurance and drivers license to guy it. So if we treated guns like cars then the insurance and training would not apply to most gun owners since they are not using guns on public property.

3. When I buy I can practically buy any kind of car I want if I got the cash.It doesn't matter how fast or slow it is. Nor does it matter how big or small it is.

4.Liability insurance doesn't cover intentional criminal acts. For example if I intentionally drive my car into a crowd of people my insurance company will tell me to **** off. If I intentionally drive my car into a store at night to steal merchandise my insurance company will tell me to **** off.And even if a insurance company was retarded to cover intentional criminal acts what makes you think a mass murderer is going to get insurance?

5.Making sure that mass murderer has proficiency and safe operating skills before they buy guns sounds like a recipe for higher body counts. Do you really want a mass murderer to more proficient in firearm usage?
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