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Old 02-11-2021, 04:21 PM
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Seriously: What ever happened to critical thinking?

As just one example: How many detractors of Donald Trump think that he should be acquitted in the Senate trial? (Or, conversely: How many supporters of Donald Trump think that he should be convicted?)

This is just one example--many others leap to mind--but it begs the question: Do most people just throw out the window all critical thinking, and substitute an ends-justifies-the-means principle instead?

If this is, indeed, the case, then it greatly disheartens me...
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Old 02-11-2021, 06:21 PM
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You misused “begs the question.”

As for the broader question, why do you assume that a Trump detractor supporting conviction is not engaged in critical thinking? I fully support conviction, not because I dislike Trump and think he’s a genuinely horrible person, but because the evidence clearly supports the conclusion that he spent two months lying about the election, to the point of working his simple-minded supporters into a violent frenzy, resulting in a deadly attack on Congress and the Capitol.
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You misused “begs the question.”

As for the broader question, why do you assume that a Trump detractor supporting conviction is not engaged in critical thinking? I fully support conviction, not because I dislike Trump and think he’s a genuinely horrible person, but because the evidence clearly supports the conclusion that he spent two months lying about the election, to the point of working his simple-minded supporters into a violent frenzy, resulting in a deadly attack on Congress and the Capitol.
I think you are misusing "lying". To say President Trump was lying is to say he didn't believe what he was saying was true. I think Trump believes the election was stolen, the same as Clinton believes the 2016 election was stolen. Even if they are both wrong it doesn't mean they were lying.
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It does seem that it's mainly people's blind rage and or near wholesale commitment to Trump that tends to lead the way on this issue.

But it's pretty self evident that claims an election was stolen are not criminal or an impeachable offense.
It's just not. Never has been.
Many congress people on both sides have done it over the years. Some have written books laying out a case for it.
Al Gore and W Bush both claimed victory and asked for recounts and court interventions.

There's no objective way anyone can claim that questioning an election is a "high crime" OR a "misdemeanor".

BTW, I didn't vote for Trump OR Biden.



but Critical thinking and being honest has never been a high priority for human beings.
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Seriously: What ever happened to critical thinking?

As just one example: How many detractors of Donald Trump think that he should be acquitted in the Senate trial? (Or, conversely: How many supporters of Donald Trump think that he should be convicted?)

This is just one example--many others leap to mind--but it begs the question: Do most people just throw out the window all critical thinking, and substitute an ends-justifies-the-means principle instead?

If this is, indeed, the case, then it greatly disheartens me...
each side is led to believe the other side is out to get them or take over freedoms.
Trump incited insurrection ad the deaths of several people. His politics aside, his handling of the country aside.
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each side is led to believe the other side is out to get them or take over freedoms.
Trump incited insurrection ad the deaths of several people. His politics aside, his handling of the country aside.
Please quote President Trump calling for insurrection or for anyone to be killed.
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Please quote President Trump calling for insurrection or for anyone to be killed.
I know of (at least) TWO Democrats with references to killing Trump...



He plead guilty to corruption charges and resigned at the beginning of last year, but he wasn't punished whatsoever for his fundraising "antics"...

US lawmaker Chappelle-Nadal's Trump assassination post investigated

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A Missouri lawmaker is being investigated by the US Secret Service for saying she hopes President Donald Trump will be assassinated.

Democratic state senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal posted the comment on Facebook but later deleted it.

The Secret Service has confirmed they are "looking into the comments" and say "all threats against the President" will be investigated.

The senator says she was wrong to write the post but that she will not resign.

She had written "No. I will. I hope Trump is assassinated!" in response to a comment on Facebook.

She told the St Louis Post-Dispatch: "I didn't mean what I put up. Absolutely not.

"I have deleted it, and it should have been deleted.

"I am not resigning. What I said was wrong, but I am not going to stop talking about what led to that, which is the frustration and anger that many people across America are feeling right now."
She didn't resign and was not forced to...
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Please quote President Trump calling for insurrection or for anyone to be killed.
if you watched the prosecution there was an excellent presentation of the timeline. If you can't stick with a subject that long, please just do not give an opinion or defend/condemn a politician-or anyone for that matter. Your vote I guess is determined by Eenie-meenie-miney-mo.
If you couldn't guess that he was directly responsible before the trial, you don't get enough civics and current events information to debate.
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I know of (at least) TWO Democrats with references to killing Trump...



He plead guilty to corruption charges and resigned at the beginning of last year, but he wasn't punished whatsoever for his fundraising "antics"...

US lawmaker Chappelle-Nadal's Trump assassination post investigated

She didn't resign and was not forced to...
sorry you don't to do what-aboutism in this case. while what she said was despicable, and I think she should have been censured, taken off committees and fired, that is a long way from causing actual harm by asking supporters to act violently; their country depends on it.
If someone in her name had killed or attempted to, then you might have something.
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Seriously: What ever happened to critical thinking?

As just one example: How many detractors of Donald Trump think that he should be acquitted in the Senate trial? (Or, conversely: How many supporters of Donald Trump think that he should be convicted?)

This is just one example--many others leap to mind--but it begs the question: Do most people just throw out the window all critical thinking, and substitute an ends-justifies-the-means principle instead?

If this is, indeed, the case, then it greatly disheartens me...
No Donald Trump hater thinks he should be acquitted. They have been trying to get rid of him since he won the 2016 election.
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