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Old 02-24-2021, 12:07 PM
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Yeah, sure. That would be like asking John Gotti to investigate the mob, or Andrew Cuomo to investigate nursing home deaths in NY. "We find no evidence of wrong doing." Who could ever argue with doing that?
Whatís crazy is thinking that Republican state officials in Georgia, who openly supported Trumpís reelection, would not have identified actual fraud and illegality if there had actually been any.
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Whatís crazy is thinking that Republican state officials in Georgia, who openly supported Trumpís reelection, would not have identified actual fraud and illegality if there had actually been any.
What's even more crazy is thinking there are ONLY Republicans in Georgia.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:33 PM
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Whatís crazy is thinking that Republican state officials in Georgia, who openly supported Trumpís reelection, would not have identified actual fraud and illegality if there had actually been any.
This is from June, 2020, during the primaries...

Amid finger-pointing after Georgia's dysfunctional election, who's actually responsible for what?

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In the wake of Georgia's much-maligned primary election this week, county officials and the secretary of state continue to point the finger at one another.

As new voting machines either didn't work (as some counties say), or counties failed to make them work properly (as the secretary of state's office says), or in some instances simply weren't there at all, long lines and even longer waits became the symbol of the state's voting dysfunction.

The episode was derided nationwide, and held up as an example by activists of what they call a recurring pattern of voter suppression in Georgia.

But who was actually responsible for what? How, exactly, are elections supposed to function in Georgia?

The legal framework for things can be complicated, and we'll get into those, but the short of it is many practical election-day responsibilities are delegated to the county level, who may not always be perfectly equipped to meet them.

"Our election system is set up to be administered at the local level, so there are 159 election systems that report to the (secretary of state). As such, the counties can't pass the buck completely to Raffensperger. And given Fulton County's history of election day issues, they will be perceived as having to bear responsibility for a lot of the problems," Emory political scientist Andra Gillespie told 11Alive on Election Day. "This doesn't necessarily give Secy. Raffensperger a free pass. Public opinion may not look favorably on the appearance of scapegoating, especially if there were verified lapses in training offered by the (secretary of state's) office that can't be blamed on local authorities."

The longer of it is that Georgia law lays a number of significant election responsibilities at the feet of county authorities. Some of those include:
  • "To select and equip polling places for use in primaries and elections."
  • "To purchase, except voting machines, preserve, store, and maintain election equipment of all kinds, including voting booths and ballot boxes and to procure ballots and all other supplies for primaries and elections."
  • "To appoint poll officers and other officers to serve in primaries and elections."
  • "To make and issue such rules, regulations, and instructions... for the guidance of poll officers, custodians, and electors in primaries and elections."
  • "To instruct poll officers and others in their duties, calling them together in meetings whenever deemed advisable, and to inspect systematically and thoroughly the conduct of primaries and elections in the several precincts of his or her county to the end that primaries and elections may be honestly, efficiently, and uniformly conducted."
I posted this article to point out TWO major things...

1) To refute your argument that the guy at the top, who supports Trump, has 100% responsibility for the elections...Nowhere close...

But here's the more important part that many overlook...

Leftys believe that the PRIMARY elections were a complete disaster in Georgia, yet, just a few months later, the much larger GENERAL election was PERFECT IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY!!!!....

Imagine that! Georgia went from being the laughingstock of elections to the GOLD STANDARD in the span of ONE election!!!!! Every vote in the primaries demanded questioning and scrutiny, but DON'T YOU F**KING DARE to question or scrutinize any votes in the following election with the very same people and counties in charge!!!!...

This, quite obviously, breaks all of the rules of logic, and yet is the standard for Democrats...They can question and scrutinize any election THEY chose to question and scrutinize, but if anyone dares do that when they got the outcome THEY want, then those people are evil Nazis...
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This is from June, 2020, during the primaries...

Amid finger-pointing after Georgia's dysfunctional election, who's actually responsible for what?

I posted this article to point out TWO major things...

1) To refute your argument that the guy at the top, who supports Trump, has 100% responsibility for the elections...Nowhere close...

But here's the more important part that many overlook...

Leftys believe that the PRIMARY elections were a complete disaster in Georgia, yet, just a few months later, the much larger GENERAL election was PERFECT IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY!!!!....

Imagine that! Georgia went from being the laughingstock of elections to the GOLD STANDARD in the span of ONE election!!!!! Every vote in the primaries demanded questioning and scrutiny, but DON'T YOU F**KING DARE to question or scrutinize any votes in the following election with the very same people and counties in charge!!!!...

This, quite obviously, breaks all of the rules of logic, and yet is the standard for Democrats...They can question and scrutinize any election THEY chose to question and scrutinize, but if anyone dares do that when they got the outcome THEY want, then those people are evil Nazis...:yawn
That tactic was taken by the left, straight from the Nazi playbook. The Nazis did that to the Jews, just like the Left does it against the right.
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I'm wondering what would have happened if Trump could somehow have been given the Georgia votes? Biden would have still had a very comfortable margin to win with the other states.
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Whatís crazy is thinking that Republican state officials in Georgia, who openly supported Trumpís reelection, would not have identified actual fraud and illegality if there had actually been any.
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I'm wondering what would have happened if Trump could somehow have been given the Georgia votes? Biden would have still had a very comfortable margin to win with the other states.
You assume that Georgia was the only state with election irregularities. To the contrary, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin and a few others had significant issues that the Dems seem to want to sweep under the rug.
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You assume that Georgia was the only state with election irregularities. To the contrary, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin and a few others had significant issues that the Dems seem to want to sweep under the rug.
No, none of those states had "irregularities" that were remotely close to changing the results of the election. You're perpetuating a lie.
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No, none of those states had "irregularities" that were remotely close to changing the results of the election. You're perpetuating a lie.
Why the mass Trump orgy? He tells them anything and not even fox can mute it. And he lies all the time to their very detriment.
Jesus in heaven, are people dumb or gullible or inoculated with some sort of chemical that makes their brain flush?
Or were they born impaired in some way? I cannot understand it.
Please tell me the answer.
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What you say here is correct.

But does his declining to head up the trial not give you any hint as to just what he thought of it?
I didn't know he declined or that there was an offer. If he thought about it at all it was probably that it would end up like the last time with sychophants, politics and money would lure Republican Senators to reject a conviction.
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