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Old 11-29-2020, 09:27 PM
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Default President Trump's efforts to overturn the election

It is very doubtful, in my opinion, that President Trump will overturn the result of the November 3 presidential election--I give him perhaps a two- or three-percent chance (and even that may be too generous)--but if he wishes to try, I can certainly see no reason why liberals would declare that his doing so is "dangerous to democracy."

He has every right--both legal and moral, I think--to pursue his options.

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Old 11-29-2020, 09:32 PM
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Agreed, but it goes further...

If Biden wins a state by 100,000, and 60,000 of those votes were found to be fraudulent/incorrectly cast, then those 60,000 MUST be investigated and the parties responsible be held accountable IRRELEVANT of whether it would turn the election...

THEE biggest problem (by a wide margin) is that voter rolls in certain states are woefully not updated, thus opening the door WIDE OPEN for fraud...
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I agree with the OP and the contention that Trump's chances and efforts are about finished....

The SC contentions are even farther out and most likely will never happen....

IF this does indeed wind up in the SC, don't be surprised if they rule the same way they did back in 2000 to stop the recount dealing with Gore vs. Bush.....

The clock is ticking and time is not on Donald side with most all of his courtroom battles getting thrown out for lack of evidence....

Fellas, the fat lady is dressed up and rehearsing behind the stage curtain at this point....
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The Trump team is now openly asking that state legislatures override the certified election results in their states and award the state’s electors to Trump. Sorry, but that is not “pursuing his options.” That is an anti-American attack on democracy.
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Default Re: President Trump's efforts to overturn the election

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I agree with the OP and the contention that Trump's chances and efforts are about finished....

The SC contentions are even farther out and most likely will never happen....

IF this does indeed wind up in the SC, don't be surprised if they rule the same way they did back in 2000 to stop the recount dealing with Gore vs. Bush.....

The clock is ticking and time is not on Donald side with most all of his courtroom battles getting thrown out for lack of evidence....

Fellas, the fat lady is dressed up and rehearsing behind the stage curtain at this point....
I agree it's unlikely President Trump will prevail despite the near perfect repetition of the same pattern of fraud in multiple swing states. If the vote counts had swung overnight thanks to mysterious massive ballot dumps unobserved by poll watchers, it's a safe assumption Democrat media toadies would be howling for blood and armies of reporters would be dispatched to prosecute the case for overturning the results. Instead, our vaunted investigative media is wildly incurious about a case of fraud that dwarfs Watergate.

While it serves an important function by illuminating Democrats election fraud the Trump campaign law suits are unlikely to overturn the election results. State court judges are fearful of political repercussions for finding against the state government run by a dominant political party. Lower and appeals court Federal judges realize that finding in Trump's favor no matter the evidence would place them on the Democrats enemies list triggering an endless smear campaign and foreclose the possibility of future Senate confirmations.

The SCOTUS under pseudo Conservative turned Democrat activist, John Roberts, has already refused to consider a case of blatantly unconstitutional legislating from the bench at a time when illegal ballots could have been identified and disallowed from the count is unlikely to provide relief even if cases do make it to them.
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The Trump team is now openly asking that state legislatures override the certified election results in their states and award the state’s electors to Trump. Sorry, but that is not “pursuing his options.” That is an anti-American attack on democracy.
I see. So following the Constitutional process is now and Anti-American attack on democracy. Gotcha.
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I see. So following the Constitutional process is now and Anti-American attack on democracy. Gotcha.
Don’t give me any “Constitutional process” bullshlt. Trying to change the rules after an election whose results go against you is not “Constitutional process.”
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The Trump team is now openly asking that state legislatures override the certified election results in their states and award the state’s electors to Trump. Sorry, but that is not “pursuing his options.” That is an anti-American attack on democracy.
The same Dems were BEGGING for this 4 years ago...Back when it wasn't anti-American I guess...

Celebrities beg electors to be ‘heroes’ and vote against Trump

Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump

Electoral College members harassed, threatened in last-ditch attempt to block Trump
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The Trump team is now openly asking that state legislatures override the certified election results in their states and award the state’s electors to Trump. Sorry, but that is not “pursuing his options.” That is an anti-American attack on democracy.
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There are undeniable electioneering going on, but have yet to see credible evidence that Trump lost any states over it.

It appears that Powell is doing the last ditch attempt through the courts, which means Trump has run out of the obvious legal options, by asking the state governments to stop certification process, that to me is a sign of desperation.

Here is the states Certification website:

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Election results certification dates, 2020

Final certification vote is just TWO WEEKS away, when the states Electors convene in their respective states to deliver their vote.
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