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No. You may do so. I place no faith in 'experts'. Nor do I allow some amorphous authority to decide whether or not I should move for my own safety. I look at the available information and make my decision based on my assessment of the threat. I am not a lemming, blindly obeying nonsense spouted by talking heads, but a free human being with the ability and sense to make decisions for my own safety and well-being.
you are a lemming; you do exactly what the fad of the day is among trump supporters.
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you are a lemming; you do exactly what the fad of the day is among trump supporters.
Really? Since I ignore experts on both sides and use my brain to figure things you are full of caca.
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"Follow the Science? Nonsense, I say."

(She a great physics teacher)
"In which I express my dismay about journalists who conflate fact with opinion."


I don't agree with her opinion about climate change but she makes a a very clear point about the the difference in what science SAYS and what people think we should DO based on science.
And that "follow the science" is a BS term.
And that the media's (activist and poltician's too) conflation of what science actually attempts to describe and what people think need to be done based on it, is nonsense and muddies the discussion.


"1:08 Science does not say, "You shouldn't pee on high-voltage lines", it says, "Urine is an excellent conductor".
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we started losing faith in a lot of proffessionals and authorities when enough regulators were not appointed when the population exploded, and that was a calculated move. So was taking back common sense measures like don't import or export toxins and poisons with your trading partners.
I feel really sorry for the generations that came after mine. I benefited from a healthier safer environment if you take out the new discoveries and technical advances. shoot if you leave them in I believe food was healthier.
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here's a case of people harassing CDC employers who are trying to help learn more about the virus.
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we started losing faith in a lot of professionals and authorities when enough regulators were not appointed when the population exploded.
what do you mean by this?
"when... not enough regulators"?
....???


But it seems to me that Americans started losing faith around the time of the Warren Commission and Church Commission.
And when the public found out that the gov't and corps knew that smoking caused cancers and was made more addictive and mainly kept quiet.
When the public found out that the gov't sterilized people against their will up into the 1970s based on “scientific” eugenics and racist ideas.
When the public found out about the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and MK uLtra, and that Timothy Lerry was linked to CIA.
When the public found out about the gov't and corps testing chemicals and radiation on prisoners.
When we were all told in the 70s that there would be so many people on earth by the 90s that most would starve. “a population bomb”.
When the public found out that the fillings put in their teeth for nearly 50 years was so poisonous that the dentist have to wear hazmat suits to remove them.
When the public found out that water the gov't provided in Flint Michigan was filled with metals. And in areas near facking the water has natural gas and at times comes out of the facet on fire.
When the public grew up and realized that the drills where we all hid under desk at school wouldn't do jack squat in case of a real nuke attack.
when we realized that the War on Drugs is BS and political and racially motivated, that the War in Iraq was BS.
When we were told that eating real butter, coconut oil and a woman's breast milk are better for you than the scientifically approved margarine and "formula" they've been scientifically jamming down out throats for the past 40+ years.
etc etc etc

How many mistakes, lies and outright crimes does it take before a rational person can legitimately question the gov't, corps and "the experts" salt?

Seems to me an honest review of just the record of the past 100 years should be enough.

Everyone should be from Missouri by now.
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what do you mean by this?
"when... not enough regulators"?
....???


But it seems to me that Americans started losing faith around the time of the Warren Commission and Church Commission.

Little attention was paid to the Warren Commission at the time by the ordinary citizen. Book authors use it in their arguments but a conspiracy was never considered by Joe Average until some time later.
And when the public found out that the gov't and corps knew that smoking caused cancers and was made more addictive and mainly kept quiet.
When the public found out that the gov't sterilized people against their will up into the 1970s based on ďscientificĒ eugenics and racist ideas.
When the public found out about the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and MK uLtra, and that Timothy Lerry was linked to CIA.
When the public found out about the gov't and corps testing chemicals and radiation on prisoners.
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When we were all told in the 70s that there would be so many people on earth by the 90s that most would starve. ďa population bombĒ.
And there was a little known concerted effort to stem that. Business people along with sociologists and politicians knowing war and famine are horrors for a world that wants peace and goodness, crafted these trade agreements which like them or not raised the living standard for many poverty stricken areas.
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When the public found out that the fillings put in their teeth for nearly 50 years was so poisonous that the dentist have to wear hazmat suits to remove them.
you got me on that one. i never knew that and i had a lot of filings.
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When the public found out that water the gov't provided in Flint Michigan was filled with metals.
the water in Flynt was fine until a guy was appointed over the local government's mayor and counsel and health department, if you recall. that guy decided to cut some cost by getting water from the lake without a special enzyme or chemical that took the lead out or neutralized it.
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And in areas near facking the water has natural gas and at times comes out of the facet on fire.
And the governor of the first state wouldn't let the Army core finish their testing, poo-poo'd the real experts in favor of political drabble and touting jobs.

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When the public grew up and realized that the drills where we all hid under desk at school wouldn't do jack squat in case of a real nuke attack.
oh for craps sake you've gone into a Virginia Wolfe argument now.
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when we realized that the War on Drugs is BS and political and racially motivated
people on the street as well as teenagers in school always knew that. good journalists reported it but some chose not to listen.

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that the War in Iraq was BS.
no it was about oil and I think most of us knew that too.

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When we were told that eating real butter, coconut oil and a woman's breast milk are better for you than the scientifically approved margarine and "formula" they've been scientifically jamming down out throats for the past 40+ years.
etc etc etc
Those were commercials they were jamming down your throat. just like big corps dig up 'scientists' and politicians to tell people there's no global warming, big corp found 'proffessionals' to say a plastic experiment gone wrong will make you healthier than butter.
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How many mistakes, lies and outright crimes does it take before a rational person can legitimately question the gov't, corps and "the experts" salt?
You have to learn to be a good discerner of truth. If you've ever read any history about epidemics you should know we should be cautious with a still unknown virus.
Seems to me an honest review of just the record of the past 100 years should be enough.

Everyone should be from Missouri by now.
we had enough inspectors and our food wasn't being recalled every other week and the minimum wage was rising incrementally up to around the carter administration. I dont know if Clinton put on more inspectors for the rising population but I know Reagan and Bushes did not.
I know Regan actually turned back a Carter executive order which had continued previous rules on not allowing toxins and poisons to be traded in our agreements with foreign countries.
If you will read Reagan's executive orders and what they overturned, trace down the actual law if was a continuance of an older law that was due to expire as with the trading of toxins, you will find some answers to your mysteries.
meanwhile don't throw the baby out with the bath water mmmK?
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what do you mean by this?
"when... not enough regulators"?
....???


But it seems to me that Americans started losing faith around the time of the Warren Commission and Church Commission.
And when the public found out that the gov't and corps knew that smoking caused cancers and was made more addictive and mainly kept quiet.
When the public found out that the gov't sterilized people against their will up into the 1970s based on ďscientificĒ eugenics and racist ideas.
When the public found out about the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and MK uLtra, and that Timothy Lerry was linked to CIA.
When the public found out about the gov't and corps testing chemicals and radiation on prisoners.
When we were all told in the 70s that there would be so many people on earth by the 90s that most would starve. ďa population bombĒ.
When the public found out that the fillings put in their teeth for nearly 50 years was so poisonous that the dentist have to wear hazmat suits to remove them.
When the public found out that water the gov't provided in Flint Michigan was filled with metals. And in areas near facking the water has natural gas and at times comes out of the facet on fire.
When the public grew up and realized that the drills where we all hid under desk at school wouldn't do jack squat in case of a real nuke attack.
when we realized that the War on Drugs is BS and political and racially motivated, that the War in Iraq was BS.
When we were told that eating real butter, coconut oil and a woman's breast milk are better for you than the scientifically approved margarine and "formula" they've been scientifically jamming down out throats for the past 40+ years.
etc etc etc

How many mistakes, lies and outright crimes does it take before a rational person can legitimately question the gov't, corps and "the experts" salt?

Seems to me an honest review of just the record of the past 100 years should be enough.

Everyone should be from Missouri by now.
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we had enough inspectors and our food wasn't being recalled every other week and the minimum wage was rising incrementally up to around the carter administration. I dont know if Clinton put on more inspectors for the rising population but I know Reagan and Bushes did not.
I know Regan actually turned back a Carter executive order which had continued previous rules on not allowing toxins and poisons to be traded in our agreements with foreign countries.
If you will read Reagan's executive orders and what they overturned, trace down the actual law if was a continuance of an older law that was due to expire as with the trading of toxins, you will find some answers to your mysteries.
so you're saying that we should trust the gov't to inspect everything and take the meds and eat the foods they say are good ... unless they are republicans?

Or should we check and see if the feds are doing their jobs and finally make decisions for ourselves about what's best for our health because the gov't and it's EXPERTS sometime DROP the BALL?

Because that sounds a lot like what I'm saying, except i don't add the partisan spin.


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...meanwhile don't throw the baby out with the bath water mmmK?
and AGAIN you (like AZ) are assuming that becasue I am harshly and factually critical and skeptical of part of the system that i must want to Throw it ALL Out.
where did i say that Salt?
But make no mistake I DO NOT believe we should blindly OBEY any current crop of popular "experts", as you suggest outright. I think that's crazy.
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But it seems to me that Americans started losing faith around the time of the Warren Commission and Church Commission.
Little attention was paid to the Warren Commission at the time by the ordinary citizen. Book authors use it in their arguments but a conspiracy was never considered by Joe Average until some time later.
uh no not really.
"Despite the apparent readiness of many Americans to accept the conclusions of the Warren Report, some still remained skeptical. A nation-wide Harris Survey conducted the month after the release of the report revealed as much. Although eighty-seven percent of Americans surveyed were convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer, thirty-one percent believed that he had accomplices.[18] In that same poll, forty-five percent of people thought that the Warren Commission left various questions unanswered. While the Warren Report was able to temporarily persuade a majority of the public, doubt still remained. "
[18] Harris, Louis. "31% of Public Still Feels Oswald Had Some Help." The Washington Post, October 19, 1964. Accessed March 10, 2017. ProQuest Historical Newspapers.
when researchers, reporters and gov't officials like Garrisson began to point out other problems (still in the 1960s btw) the more people drifted.

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And when the public found out that the gov't and corps knew that smoking caused cancers and was made more addictive and mainly kept quiet.
When the public found out that the gov't sterilized people against their will up into the 1970s based on “scientific” eugenics and racist ideas.
When the public found out about the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and MK-Ultra, and that Timothy Lerry was linked to CIA.
When the public found out about the gov't and corps testing chemicals and radiation on prisoners.
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Seems you little to say about all the above. So we agree those experts have lead the public astray and outright killed people. Frankly all that should be enough to tell us that we should NOT blindly trust the experts or the gov't. and give every bit of expert advise through scrutiny.

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When we were all told in the 70s that there would be so many people on earth by the 90s that most would starve. “a population bomb”.
And there was a little known concerted effort to stem that. Business people along with sociologists and politicians knowing war and famine are horrors for a world that wants peace and goodness, crafted these trade agreements which like them or not raised the living standard for many poverty stricken areas.
So the Biz and Gov't helped make it so we didn't have a population bomb?
Or maybe the experts were simply wrong about it... again.
the population bomb" Idea has been floated by scientist since the 1900s by Galton. And it's been the "scientific" basis for experts policy implementation of various eugenics programs, forced abortions, forced and secret sterilizations and more world wide.
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