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Just a reminder how Trump made this country dodge a Hillary presidency...
There's little about a hypothetical Hillary presidency that would warrant a sigh of relief that it didn't happen, much moreso when compared to the disgraceful, cruel coward we have right now.

Kinda doubtful President Hillary Clinton would be rambling on with murder conspiracy theories about Joe Scarborough and accusing Twitter of censoring him because they added a fact-check to a couple of her tweets, in the midst of a global pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans so far.

I'm also doubtful we would have crossed 100,000 dead on her watch.
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There's little about a hypothetical Hillary presidency that would warrant a sigh of relief that it didn't happen, much moreso when compared to the disgraceful, cruel coward we have right now.

Kinda doubtful President Hillary Clinton would be rambling on with murder conspiracy theories about Joe Scarborough and accusing Twitter of censoring him because they added a fact-check to a couple of her tweets, in the midst of a global pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans so far.
Over three years of "Russia, Russia, Russia" followed by whining about OTHERS retweeting conspiracies...

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I'm also doubtful we would have crossed 100,000 dead on her watch.
That's because regular Americans don't live in consulates and embassies...
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There's little about a hypothetical Hillary presidency that would warrant a sigh of relief that it didn't happen, much moreso when compared to the disgraceful, cruel coward we have right now.

Kinda doubtful President Hillary Clinton would be rambling on with murder conspiracy theories about Joe Scarborough and accusing Twitter of censoring him because they added a fact-check to a couple of her tweets, in the midst of a global pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans so far.

I'm also doubtful we would have crossed 100,000 dead on her watch.
Why? What would she have done so differently to avoid those numbers? (As an aside, I don't for a minute believe those numbers as states have been counting EVERY death during the DemPanic as Covid related.)

Based of the death counts in states currently led by Democratic governors, it would suggest that the number of US deaths would be much HIGHER if Hillary governed is a similar manner.
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Why? What would she have done so differently to avoid those numbers? (As an aside, I don't for a minute believe those numbers as states have been counting EVERY death during the DemPanic as Covid related.)

Based of the death counts in states currently led by Democratic governors, it would suggest that the number of US deaths would be much HIGHER if Hillary governed is a similar manner.
Well, for starters, it's highly likely that she wouldn't have ignored the warnings that Trump did and declared mission accomplished after a totally ineffective "ban" on travel from China, while wasting critical weeks lying to the American people about the numbers "going to zero."

And, as for the numbers, 100,000 is almost certainly a significant undercount. Total mortality is up by far more over the last two months. As one example, pneumonia deaths in Florida are up by around 1300 over typical annual numbers. Those extra deaths are highly likely uncounted COVID-19 deaths. The same is true in many states. Epidemiology experts have estimated that the actual death total is probably somewhere between 130,000 and 200,000.
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And, as for the numbers, 100,000 is almost certainly a significant undercount. Total mortality is up by far more over the last two months. As one example, pneumonia deaths in Florida are up by around 1300 over typical annual numbers. Those extra deaths are highly likely uncounted COVID-19 deaths. The same is true in many states. Epidemiology experts have estimated that the actual death total is probably somewhere between 130,000 and 200,000.
Link to said experts? evidence of under count?
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Link to said experts? evidence of under count?
I've posted numerous links to these reports and you people keep ignoring them, but here are a few more:

https://komonews.com/news/local/stat...rcounted-in-wa

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...-20200526.html

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/25/86190...corded-numbers

https://www.wsj.com/articles/most-co...hs-11590658200
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Well, for starters, it's highly likely that she wouldn't have ignored the warnings that Trump did and declared mission accomplished after a totally ineffective "ban" on travel from China, while wasting critical weeks lying to the American people about the numbers "going to zero."
Fauci: Trump's Decision To Block Travel From China Halted The Early Spreading

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National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci told ABC's "This Week" that the president's decision to block travel from China early in response to the coronavirus helped the U.S. avoid the situation that Italy finds itself in.

KARL: So help me out, what is the range of possibility here? How many people do you think -- based on what we're doing, based on what you know and your expertise on this, what are we talking about?

FAUCI: I don't think it's going to be that worst because I think what we're doing is going to have an effect. And -- and, for example, the president's decision to essentially have a major blocking of travel from China, that already had an effect of not seeding the way, in Europe -- Italy didn't do that. And my -- I feel so badly because I have so many friends there. They're getting hit hard.

What we're doing now with the other travel restrictions -- so you block infections from coming in. And then within is when you have containment and mitigation. And that's the reason why the kinds of things we're doing that may seem like an over-reaction will keep us away from that worst-case scenario.
I know...It's just so damn HARD to admit it was the smart thing to do ONLY because it was Trump that did it...
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Well, for starters, it's highly likely that she wouldn't have ignored the warnings that Trump did and declared mission accomplished after a totally ineffective "ban" on travel from China, while wasting critical weeks lying to the American people about the numbers "going to zero."

And, as for the numbers, 100,000 is almost certainly a significant undercount. Total mortality is up by far more over the last two months. As one example, pneumonia deaths in Florida are up by around 1300 over typical annual numbers. Those extra deaths are highly likely uncounted COVID-19 deaths. The same is true in many states. Epidemiology experts have estimated that the actual death total is probably somewhere between 130,000 and 200,000.
Well, at least one state official has said as much:

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State Health officials have acknowledged a bending of the "Covid Curve" seeing smaller spikes in positive cases, or rather, not as exponential of a jump as recorded weeks ago when virus testing capability was much lower.

Additionally, despite the additional virus-related deaths being reported everyday, Illinois Department of Public Health reports those numbers are decreasing too.

Still, the department's Director, Dr. Ngozi Ezike used part of her time during Sunday's health briefing to explain how the department determines if a death is related to Coronavirus.

Essentially, Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.

She reiterated Illinois health officials will continue to work vigorously to protect the state's most vulnerable populations.
https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-dir...re-classified/

I'm sure there are other states doing what they can to increase the number. We had a neighbor whose mother passed away a couple of weeks ago from a long battle with cancer. They had to FIGHT with the hospital to NOT classify her death has Covid related as she NEVER tested positive for it. They didn't simply ask them not to, they had to threaten them with a lawsuit if they did.

How many others are experiencing the same thing?
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[QUOTE=Constant_Slothrop;988400]Well, for starters, it's highly likely that she wouldn't have ignored the warnings that Trump did and declared mission accomplished after a totally ineffective "ban" on travel from China, while wasting critical weeks lying to the American people about the numbers "going to zero."

He did exactly what the exalted Dr. Fauci said to do. There were hundreds of Doctors and "Experts" at all ends of the spectrum, saying different things.

No matter WHAT Trump did or didn't do. You and other experts would disagree.

Have you heard that "Experts" are now saying that the destruction of our economy did nothing to stop the spread of the virus?
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