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Old 02-28-2020, 09:42 AM
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No, your point was to completely ignore the history of the Senate ignoring House passed Bill's in a divided Congress. There is nothing unique about McConnell ignoring House passed legislation reflecting nothing but the Democrats hyperpartisan agenda. Under Pelosi's leadership the House has engaged in much sound and fury signifying nothing but nonetheless impressing the rubes of the Orange man bad crowd.

There has to be a Republican to blame for Pelosi's utter refusal to negotiate meaningful legislation with the Republican controlled Senate. Democrats used to claim they favored renegotiating NAFTA before Nancy Pelosi blocked the USMCA for years to try smoothing over the impeachment side show. These partisan political games lead to the House passing meaningless legislation they know the Senate will not take up as a partisan stunt. That's what doing nothing means.
I knew that you would eventually get to your real argument. Your complaint with the House is not that theyíve ďdone nothing.Ē Itís that they havenít done the Republicanís bidding. Thank goodness for that, thatís not what Democratic voters voted for in 2018.
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I knew that you would eventually get to your real argument. Your complaint with the House is not that theyíve ďdone nothing.Ē Itís that they havenít done the Republicanís bidding. Thank goodness for that, thatís not what Democratic voters voted for in 2018.
That's the best you can manage, a pathetic excuse for the nothing but impeachment Democrat House. Democrats ran as problem solvers in 2018 but all they did was elevate Nancy Pelosi the classic my way or nothing partisan hack who led them to accomplish nothing unless total corruption of the impeachment process into a toxic political spectacle counts as an accomplishment.
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Nobody honestly knows whether or not Bernie would be a benefit or detriment to down-ballot Democratic candidates by the time we get to November, but there are a couple of clues to help us out.

In 2018, the Democrats took back the House mostly on the backs of more moderate candidates.

In 2020 so far, turnout is up in nearly all Democratic primaries over 2016, and in the case of a couple of states, 2008. But it was the Joe Biden base that fueled the increase, not the Sanders base, with the exception of probably California. Millennial and Gen Z voters strongly supported Bernie, but they didn't increase their turnout much relative to Gen X and Boomers who went for Biden.
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Nobody honestly knows whether or not Bernie would be a benefit or detriment to down-ballot Democratic candidates by the time we get to November, but there are a couple of clues to help us out.

In 2018, the Democrats took back the House mostly on the backs of more moderate candidates.

In 2020 so far, turnout is up in nearly all Democratic primaries over 2016, and in the case of a couple of states, 2008. But it was the Joe Biden base that fueled the increase, not the Sanders base, with the exception of probably California. Millennial and Gen Z voters strongly supported Bernie, but they didn't increase their turnout much relative to Gen X and Boomers who went for Biden.
Actually, from a survey I saw a few days ago (and I apologize as I don't remember where I saw it) the expected younger voters was much lower than in the 2016 primaries. It seems that enthusiasm for Bernie has waned quite a bit with the younger generation. If that is the case then, in my opinion, he has no shot at the nomination.
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Nobody honestly knows whether or not Bernie would be a benefit or detriment to down-ballot Democratic candidates by the time we get to November, but there are a couple of clues to help us out.

In 2018, the Democrats took back the House mostly on the backs of more moderate candidates.
No...

The falsely-named "moderate Democrats" were running in districts that were purple, and needed a little Republican (and Independent) support, so they ran around claiming "unity" and "working with the other side" and "impeachment is off the table"...

...and then they won...and did a total 180 on their campaign rhetoric and fell in line with Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler...

With either Biden or Sanders as the nominee these districts will, most, likely, be going with the "fool me once..." narrative and those falsely-named "moderate Democrats" will be one-termers...
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